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    Default Belgian Casualty 24 Sqn SAAF 6-3-1944 not on CWGC

    I have a Casualty for a Belgian 2/Lt M QUENON who I am 99.99% sure was killed on Marauder FB508 lost on this date

    He is not on CWGC - there is one Belgain with this name on CWGC

    Flight Sergeant QUENON, ALBERT GUSTAVE AUGUSTE killed 05/05/1944

    Is there any online resource for Belgain casualties in WW2 to check?

    Thanks

    Paul

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    Have you checked the free SAAF ORB's on the UK NA website? the documents online thing?
    Dennis Burke
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    Foreign Aircrew and Aircraft Ireland 1939-1945
    www.ww2irishaviation.com

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    Hello Paul,

    Here is what appeared on a list :

    Quenon Marcel V. L. , Pilot , 2Lt , 24 Sqn SAAF , killed 06/03/1944

    Quenon Albert G.A. , Pilot , F/Sgt, 132 OTU killed 06/05/1944

    No other info

    Best regards

    Rene

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    Hello,

    6-3-1944
    No.24 Sqn SAAF
    Marauder II - ? - 'W'

    Briefed to attack shipping in Scala Bay (Santorini Isalnd), Greece. Attacked by fighters and shot down at 1420, in position 35.50N, 22.28E.

    99208V Lt George Robert BELL SAAF +
    - ? - 2/Lt Marcel QUENON + (Belgian)
    328768V Lt Robert Alfred ZIMMERMAN SAAF +
    542828V WO2 Trevor TRELEAVEN SAAF +
    542802V WO2 Jacobus Phillipus Lourens SNYMAN SAAF +
    207084V 2/Lt Clive Wilfred HEAVEN SAAF +

    See:
    Per Noctem Per Diem:The Story of 24 Squadron - South African Air Force.
    Tucker,E.N & P.M.J.McGregor.
    n.p. : 24 Squadron Album Committee,1961
    pp.125-6, 268-9 & 288.

    Bell, Zimmerman, Treleaven, Snyman and Heaven, commemorated on the Alamein Memorial.

    No.24 Sqn SAAF lost 4 (four) Marauders on this raid. FB481, FB496, FB504 & FB507 (22 killed).

    Maybe others can add more.

    Col.
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    I had QUENON details from 24 SAAF ORB but could not understand why he is missing from CWGC so thanks for confirming details

    Rene

    May I ask what list this was thanks

    Paul

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    Hello Paul

    The list is called

    "Belges de la RAF décédes pendant la guerre" "Belgians in the RAF killed during the war"
    it is 8 pages and it gives for example :

    "M.M./ Quenon Marcel / P / 2LT / 24 sqn SAAF / 06/03/44

    M.M : Malta Memorial
    P : pilot

    Best regards

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    Hi Paul
    One thing that I have noticed about "foreign" personnel, nominally in the Commonwealth Air Forces, is that to appear on the CWGC website it seems that they must have actually enlisted in a Commonwealth Air Force and not be considered to be part of their own countries' Air Forces in exile. I found this out when looking for the CWGC entries of the 50 airmen murdered after the Great escape, and failing to find 13 of them whose memorials are the responsibility of CWGC (one,a Norwegian-Nils Fugelsang, has since been repratriated to Norway in 1947 and is now Norway's responsibility).This may explain Quenon's transparancy within CWGC, but still with a commemoration on a "CWGC" memorial
    Regards
    Dick
    Last edited by Dick; 14th March 2012 at 18:52.

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    Dick
    Just an addition to your last point. The lacking posts in the CWGC is more than a question of having enlisted for a Commonwealth Air Force rather than an air force in exile. The subject has been covered before on this forum, but let me just state the situation from a Danish perspective:

    Following the Danish surrender to the German occupying forces on 9 April 1940, the Danish government co-operated with the German authorities, but stayed in the country. So did the King. In this (and many other respects) the Danish case is thus different than the Norwegian, the Dutch, the Beligian etc. Another consequence was that no allied Danish Air Force in exile was set up in England and/or Canada as was the case of some of the other countries.

    As a consequence, all Danes in the Allied Air Forces (1939-1944) enlisted directly in these forces. Nevertheless most casualties are not listed in the CWGC database. To my knowledge a or maybe the reason for this was to protect the families in Denmark.

    To complete the above description. Free Danes in London did try to establish a Danish Squadron in RAF in 1941-42, but the number of available pilots was not high enough. A number of pilots as well as at least 3 presentation Spitfires were transferred to No. 234 Squadron which became the most Danish of the allied Squadrons. As the co-operation with the German forces in Denmark ended in August 1943, and the Government stepped down, a Danish air unit was trained in exile in Sweden. This unit was recruited from a nucleus of Danish army and navy pilots who had stayed in Denmark in 1940-43.

    Setting up the post war air force in Denmark, airmen and ground crew of both groups were recruited. Some tensions remained between the two groups, and a number of former RAF and Norwegian Air Force pilots left the air force fairly quickly.

    Regards

    Mikkel
    Britain's Victory, Denmark's Freedom. Danish Volunteers in Allied Air Forces During the Second World War
    fb.me/britainsvictorydenmarksfreedom
    danishww2pilots.dk - a resource on Danish aircrew during the Second World War

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    All thanks for the explanations

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    Hello ,

    Perhaps this this little info , can help you.

    Marcel Quenon was born in the town off Liége Belgium on july 23 1923. He left Belgium for Congo in 1936 to worke overthere with the Comité Spécial Du Katanga as a technical drawer. He enlisted in april 1942 and started his training with the Sout African Air Force. After his training hi joined 70 OTU on Martin Baltimore aircraft.

    Sources : The book " Broken Wings of the Belgian Aviation
    ISBN 9789078878155

    Regards

    Alain12
    Belgium

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