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    Me again chaps....

    Could someone with the Air Britain serials register that includes Canberra WJ877 please have a look and see which unit it is listed as being on the strength of when she was lost on the 18-3-91? I suspect it'll be 231 OCU.

    Many thanks as always,

    L/O

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    Hi Greg,

    231 OCU painted blue and VN799 for 40th aniversiary flight 13/14/05/89.

    Cleaned 17/5/89 and returned to correct serial and colour.

    Regards
    Ross

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ross_McNeill View Post
    Hi Greg,

    231 OCU painted blue and VN799 for 40th aniversiary flight 13/14/05/89.

    Cleaned 17/5/89 and returned to correct serial and colour.

    Regards
    Ross
    Brill, thanks Ross - do you know if she was still with 231 OCU when 100 Squadron borrowed and crashed her in '91?

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    Yup still on 231 OCU charge although the unit had formally disbanded on 15th Dec 1990.

    Like a bad smell the aircraft and unit lingered on at Wyton for a few months.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ross_McNeill View Post
    Yup still on 231 OCU charge although the unit had formally disbanded on 15th Dec 1990.

    Like a bad smell the aircraft and unit lingered on at Wyton for a few months.

    Regards
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    Thanks Ross. At the risk of pushing my luck, do you know if one of the three crew on board WJ977 the day she crashed survived? I have notes stating that one Flt/Lt Adams was on board, but i cannot find him on forcesmemorial.org

    Thanks again,

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    Greg,

    Colin Cummings' 'Lost to Service' lists all three crew as killed:

    Gp Capt Reginald McKendrick, MPhil, MBIM, Pilot, Officer Commanding Royal Air Force Wyton
    Flt Lt David Laird Ferguson Adam, Pilot & Qualified Flying Instructor
    Flt Lt Stephen Wilkinson, Navigator

    CC gives 'mishandled practice engine failure on take off' as the cause of the loss.

    Errol

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    Many thanks Errol, that's fantastic.

    I had a phone call yesterday evening from a Nav who was at Wyton at the time, who has also suggested that the purpose of the flight was to practice "asymmetric handling". I'm not too sure what that means myself (the chap did try and explain, but once i leave the comfort of two running rails i'm a bit lost!!) but apparently the Canberra could be a bit of a shocker to try and handle in certain situations involving asymmetric flying, and several were lost in such circumstances. Perhaps Ross as one of our resident Canberra experts, or one of the other members who knows rather more about the wizardry that are the laws of flight, can shed some light on that.

    Thanks again Errol, you've filled a couple of holes for me there. Another beer to the slate perhaps?! :)

    "Lost to Service" by Cummings seems to be a popular tome amongst many members here. I've just had a look on Abe Books to see if i can locate a copy, but none are listed there. Can anyone advise if it's still in print, or will i need to keep checking the second hand lists?

    L/O

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    Greg - I recently contacted Colin Cummings as to whether 'Lost in Service' would be reprinted and the answer was an emphatic 'NO' however he did say he may do it on a CDROM later this year. Like you I have never seen a copy on the second hand market - just for interest was this accident included in Air Britain's Broken Wings which I have just ordered.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris Pointon View Post
    Greg - I recently contacted Colin Cummings as to whether 'Lost in Service' would be reprinted and the answer was an emphatic 'NO' however he did say he may do it on a CDROM later this year. Like you I have never seen a copy on the second hand market - just for interest was this accident included in Air Britain's Broken Wings which I have just ordered.
    Chris

    Hello Chris, thanks for the reply :)

    I don't have "Broken Wings" either i'm afraid, so i'm not sure if this accident's included or not. I've only been looking at the post-war period in the last few months, and only specifically in relation to 100 Squadron, so i've never bought any of the books on the post-war losses, but from what the members here have been able to post in relation to my questions, they seem to be full of information :)

    L/O

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    Chris, I have just checked my copy of 'Broken Wings'. The accident is recorded at the bottom of page 242.

    Laurie.

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