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    Default Stirling shot down 18 August 1940

    Hi guys

    I posted this on TOCH without response! Any ideas?

    Mark has just sent me details regarding:

    'Stirling Shot Down by Southampton A.A. "B" Battery RM (Royal Marines) 18th August 1940.'

    The incident occurred at 1318 hours and the aircraft came down at U5576, which Mark believes may be Charlton, Wilts.

    Who can help solve this 'mystery'?

    Cheers
    Brian

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    For this date it has to be from the first production batch N3635 - N3769 but none seem to fit the "known" details.

    Details do not fit with demise of prototypes L7600 and L7605 either.

    Perhaps we need the input of a Stirling expert ?

    Ian

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    Is your incident being confused with the loss of N3640 that was fired at by our AA while over the Isle of Man of Sept 29, 1940 ? It crashed at Hodder Bridge, Barbon, Kirkby Lonsdale, Lancs.

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    Hi Ian

    No, definitely a different incident.

    Thanks
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    A bit of incinsistency in your first post Brian. If the aircraft was shot down by a Southampton AA battery that implies it came to earth near/in Southampton. Charlton, Wilts, is 60-70 km to the northwest, just below the northern escarpment of Salisbury Plain. There's another Charlton west of Swindon, and a third just north of Andover (Hants).

    Given it was a daylight incident there were several airfields in Wiltshire the Stirling could have landed safely had it managed to fly inland - Boscombe Down for instance.

    Suggest you revisit the crash location.

    Edit. The first Charlton I listed is but a couple of miles from Upavon and 6 or 7 miles from Netheravon, both of which would have been safe landing sites.

    Brian
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    Hi Brian

    The brief RM report simply states Stirling shot down U5576.

    Mark thought this was possibly Charlton, Wilts, but is aware of other similar grid references.

    It would seem forced-landing was probable. Any ideas?

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    My father in law was in 7 squadron in 1940 and based at Leeming, Yorks we always believed that he was in the first Stirling to come down on the above date. He was the navigator and survived. We know few details of this incident as we only have earlier log books. He came down at Hodder Bridge, Bardon but we are not sure of the exact reference. Has anyone got an idea of where we can get further information.
    If you look at the history of the Stirling 7 squadron were the first to have them in 1940 but didn't seem to be fully operational with them unitl 1941.
    Does anyone know where I can get further information?

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    Default Boscombe Down (A & AEE) had Stirlings on Charge

    Hello Janette

    According to Bill Chorley, the friendly Manx A.A. fire incident with Stirling N3640 on 29 September 1940 indicated they were 'Training'. If a 'Flying Accident Card' survives, you could write or email the RAF Museum, at Hendon, Department of Research (D.O.R.I.S.) Archive and they will probably be able to send you a photocopy of the card.

    The ORB of No. 7 Squadron which cover 1940 is held at The National Archives (TNA), Kew, catalogue reference AIR 27/98 (AIR 27/98/1 to February 1941) and you can purchase online the 1940 pages as a pdf download for 3.36 apparently.

    http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/SearchUI/details?Uri=D8407240

    If you wish to research in detail you could also try the RAF Station ORBs of where he was stationed which come under the AIR 28 Catalogue series of ORBs, to see these you will need current photographic (Passport / Driving Licence) and several current printed proof of address I.Ds. to go into the Reading Room at TNA, Kew.

    A & AEE BOSCOMBE DOWN
    According to the August 1940 ORB of the Aeroplane & Armament Experimental Establishment (A & AEE) at Boscombe Down they have alloted two Stirlings on the following dates:-

    19.8.40 "Stirling L7605 to Ringway"
    20.8.40 "Stirling N3637 allotted to Worthy Down"

    the A & AEE ORB also states 3.8.40 "S/L. P.I. Harris, P/O. A.E. Cooper, P/O. R.W. Cox and personnel of Stirling flight proceeded to R.A.F. Station, Leeming for formation of No.7 Squadron."

    So the 18th August 1940 Stirling (friendly fire incident at Southampton) could have been an aircraft from Boscombe Down or under Air Ministry on charge with the D.T.D. (Director of Technical Development).

    According to an AIR 16 file regarding aircraft not under Fighter Command Control, Dowding was saying that there were some Units and also the DTD at Boscombe Down who had many types of aircraft flying under Air Ministry control, which were not under the defence control of his Command.

    Regards Mark
    Last edited by Mark Hood; 5th October 2012 at 11:16. Reason: added reference to the "Stirling Flight"

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    The F1180 card for N3640 is the first card stored for 1940 on the microfilm reel.

    It records Engine failure in flight with subsequent wheels up forced landing during Petrol Consumption tests.

    Location given as Hodge Branding 2 miles north west Barton Westmorland.

    No.7 Squadron

    Pilot F/O T P A Bardley

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    Thanks Mark

    We have two different incidents intertwined, methinks?

    18 August Stirling shot down by Southampton AA and crashed at U5576 (unsolved but recorded)

    29 September Stirling N7640 shot down by Manx AA (solved and recorded)

    Interesting!

    Brian

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