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    Can anyone give me the Beaufighter squadron and their losses while escorting the Beauforts of 39sq on the attack on the Zara and Brioni on 02.11.1942.
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    Hi Nick,

    The only loss from No.272 Sqn was:

    T4880

    Coded H

    Engine cut on outward leg while escorting Beauforts on strike off Tobruk and ditched north and a little to the west of the Bay of Sollum. Various rescue aircraft sighted and dropped supplies to the crew until both were rescued after 8 days afloat by MTBs.

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    Thanks Ross
    This means that both the Italians and the Germans are claiming Hedleys and Grants aircraft as well as the convoy!
    Now I know this is not unusual. But only Ltn Munzert of 9/JG53 correctly identified the aircraft so I am inclined to think it was him who got Hedleys crew, plus he had a record of 20 victories.
    The convoy commander reports a direct on another plane that then crashed in front of the convoy the crew being picked up and identified as Grants.
    How safe is this to assume could I put it down as a probably?
    Nick

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    "At 1000 hours...the Italian sailors saw a compact formation of aircraft approaching them at low level, when they wereonly 50 miles from Tobruk. These were six Beauforts of 39 Squadron, lead by Wing Commander Larry Gain, escorted by seven Beaufighters of 272 Squadron. By this time there was air cover over the convoy: two Me110s, two Ju88s and two MC202s. The Beaufighters attacked the enemy aircraft, shooting down a Ju88 for the loss of onne of their number. The crew of the Beaufighter - Pilot Officer A J Proctor and Pilot Officer E A C Young - floated in their dinghy for eight days before they were picked up by the British, in an extremely weakened condition."

    From: The Armed Rovers - Nesbit (page 102)

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    Time for a recap I think,

    Attack was by No.39 Sqn Beauforts escorted by No.272 Beaufighters.

    Two Beauforts lost to enemy action in the vicinity of the convoy.
    DD873 (Coded H?)
    DD937 (Coded R?)

    One Beaufighter lost to engine failure before reaching convoy.
    T4880 (Coded H)

    No.39 Sqn record one aircraft FTR and one ditched.

    No.272 record one aircraft ditched North and a little to the west of the Bay of Sollum.

    Zara was attacked in position 33 10N 23 50E

    T4880 was crewed by Proctor/Young and both were rescued by the British.

    Nick who do you have on DD873 and DD937?

    To my mind there is too much overclaiming by the enemy to assign credit to any pilot at this point.

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    Hi Ross
    The crews that I have for DD 937 Are
    P/O O.M. Hedley PILOT 103495
    P/O G.A.R. Welsford NAV 116654
    SGT C.E.LYON WOP/AG 964695
    SGT J.W.A.WALKER WO/PAG 1185021
    All KIA

    DD873
    S/L K GRANT POW
    SGT TURNER POW
    SGT VAUGHAN KIA
    SGT MEAD POW

    do you think Munzerts claim to far out of the area or is it just to many claims makes them all dubious?
    to me his timings seem about right.
    In the SQ ORB for Nov it states that Hedleys aircraft was not seen after the attack developed butthat it was lagging behind after possible attacks by enemy aircraft.
    I could go back to Luftwaffe Experten to see if the jg53 aircraft were assigned convoy protection that day as well.
    See also my threadhttp ://www.rafcommands.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1251 "Ju 88s vs 39sq Beauforts N.Africa1942"

    All the best Nick
    Last edited by Nick Powell; 24th March 2008 at 19:23. Reason: alterations

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    Nick/Ross,
    I've DD937 shot down by ships flak off Derna on shipping strike.

    Is it possible that Sgt TURNER on DD873 was Sgt Alfred G. TURNER - RCAF R/61358 - Alamein Mem. Column 263.

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    Hi Henk
    Turner was in fact the casualty in the crew not Vaughan as posted above an error in typing on my part.

    Full list and numbers where known below.

    S/L KENNETH ROBINSON GRANT 65568 DFC RAFVR. PILOT

    R/61358 WO1 A.G.TURNER RCAF.OBS KILLED IN ACTION

    SGT J VAUGHAN NO DETAILS
    SGT H. MEAD NO DETAILS
    Henk
    I am assuming that Turner was lost on this mission the rest of the crew being taken prisoner.
    I got this info from a list that was sent to me by Sean Oconner some years ago I have not checked it independently!
    R C Nesbit in the Armed Rovers does not mention any of Grants crew being killed however.

    Hope that that helps
    Nick
    Last edited by Nick Powell; 25th March 2008 at 20:13.

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    Hello Nick,
    S/Ldr Grant is in the PoW-Register with camp L3 and number 822.
    W/O H.J. Mead - 1251962 with camp L4 and number 890.
    There are two W/Os J. Vaughan:
    1) 1165192 with camp L1 and number 907, and
    2) 1312914 with camp L6 and number 27580.
    Taking into account the given PoW-numbers my choise would be Vaughan 1165192.

    Regards,
    Henk.

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    Nick,
    My choice for Vaughan 1165192 was correct because
    J. Vaughan - 1312914 was on Lancaster ED492 of 9 Sqn lost on a raid to Wilhelmshaven 18-2-1943.

    Henk.

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