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    Default SAAF Liberators 31 & 34 SAAF Italy 1944/45

    Am a member of a Facebook Group covering these Squadrons see:

    https://www.facebook.com/groups/267788820688/

    Amongst many photo's gathered in, the following show a/c with what appear to be Serial Numbers that follow neither British or US protocols

    The first, appears to be a 34 Squadron a/c believed to be be 'P' Peter RAF Serial EW229 US Serial 42-99915, d/d via Dorval 18.4.44 arr ME 28.4.44 to 34 SAAF, FTR raid on St Valentin 21/22.8.44 - SOC 2.9.44

    In this photo there appears to be 'Serial Number' 30-245

    https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10150647510331630&set=o.26778882068 8&type=3&theater

    The second shows a 31 SAAF a/c 'Little Queenie IV' and is probably RAF Serial KH244 US Serial 44-44105, d/d via Dorval 22.9.44 arr ME 27.9,44 to 31SAAF, FTR raid on Marshalling yards Bruck 19.3.45 - SOC 3.5.45

    In this photo there appears to be 'Serial Number' 30-570

    https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=2797646667051&set=o.267788820688&ty pe=3&theater

    Can anyone offer explanations for these 'unusual' Serial Numbers and in the case of 30-570 confirm it's standard identity

    Thanks in advance

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    I think those are Modification Centre (Center) numbers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Franek Grabowski View Post
    I think those are Modification Centre (Center) numbers.
    Franek

    Thanks for response, but can you expand please

    What & where were Modification Centres? (who ran them - US or UK/RAF?RCAF) and was there any obvious logic in their application

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    Americans established Modification Centers, which were to prepare aircraft for various thaters of service, eg. different radio sets, etc., and also to implement the latest modifications, not introduced in factories to not reduce the output. I recall a discussion, because a similar number was seen on a Polish Liberator. I do not remember if particular MC was identified, nor sequence of those numbers. There is also a less likely possibility, those were sort of numbers applied for transport identification.

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    Default MC numbers

    MC numbers referred to a particular final user specification of aircraft, not MC centres themselves.
    "30" quoted was for early B.VI Liberators for the RAF; whilst 29 was for early GR.VI for example.
    These numbers were also used on aircraft destined for USAAF use.
    The numbers after the" -" refer to an individual airframe.

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