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    Default No. 1 Depot NE - WC

    Hi all,

    I know that No. 1 Depot was the place when missing airmen were administrative moved.
    But what is the meaning of the whole record? The only idea I have is:

    Non-Effective - War Casualty

    Also I would like to ask what was the period defined by the law between the date when became missing and being stated as "killed".

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    Pavel
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    Pavel,
    I have no idea if any particulor period was specified in the original "rules" of the Casualty Classification Committee (if that indeed was its name), but I would say not. More likely that their fate remained as "missing, presumed killed on air ops (on in flying accident as appropriate)" if they did not show up in any POW information from Switzerland, and would remain as such until further information came forward from any source. If nothing further was learned by the end of the war further enquiries would be made in former enemy and occcupied countries, and then the Committee would, on a certain date decided by themselves, release a new casualty list for a certain theatre after all avenues of possible information had been exhausted, giving the final casualty classification, such as "Believed killed on operations on (such and such a date), body never recovered" or something more definitive. For legal purposed their ultimate fate would thereafter read something like this, although I will leave the style of the actual wording used to the experts in this specialised subject. Plese step up to the mark!
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    Hi David, thanks for your post.
    Well the problem is that as far as I know that for the legal purposes they were stated as deceased much earlier, in few cases I know approx. a year after became missing.

    In my present research I have a following example:
    - crew missing over Bay of Biscay on 18.8.1942
    - stated as killed on 18.8.1942 by Air Ministry postagram from 24. 6. 1943...

    I will try to find more cases if I will be able to find out any dependence or period.

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    Hello Pavel and David

    Under "Missing Personnel" (K.R. 2608) regarding the effects of missing RAF personnel and their estate will be completed, when "he is officially presumed to be dead".

    No. 1 RAF Depot is mentioned in relation to dealing with the discharge of an Airman due to death, missing, etc.

    My Grandfather was MBK [Missing Believed Killed] 15.8.1940 and I noticed stamped "NE" (Non effective, I presume) in the top R/H corner of the RAF Form (retained by the RAF).
    My Grandmother had to prove Marriage and his RAF Pay Book was returned and she was instructed to continue claiming his pay.
    His death was registered 21.9.1940.
    RAF Records sent out his "Certificate of Discharge" on 01.11.1940 with "Killed in Action" 15.8.1940.
    Family letters with the IWGC indicate his name was added to the Cross of another Aircrew at Fawley, after pressure by our family, as there would be no memorial to him (at that time in 1941).
    However, a letter from his CO indicates that he is at West End. Their Whitley crashed landed on the surface near West End and apparently he was never found.

    Looking at the files of Australians serving here, it seems the period varies between the missing date and finally being declared or presumed to be dead.

    Several things I would like to add was ...

    That the Men of Bomber Command and Women serving with Bomber Command were deeply missed by their families and their children too.

    That the Memorial to the 55,000 plus Aircrew of Bomber Command who lost their lives to be opened in London this Summer June 2012, some who never returned and overdue, missing, killed, on Operations or Training has taken far too long in coming! Don't forget you must add to this number, the injured too.

    Mark
    Last edited by Mark Hood; 4th June 2012 at 07:03. Reason: Bomber Command Memorial

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