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    Can anyone help with these please:

    What was "Gunner Group V (July 1941)"? Was it a unit, training facility or "trade rank"

    What was "PAC Eastchurch, 16 Reserve Command (October 1941)?

    What was "P.A.C. Op Aircraftman 1st Class"?

    What was "56 PCT Italy (March 1945)?

    Any help would be much appreciated.

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    Gunner Group V trade group

    usually PTC - Personnel Transit Centre/Personnel Transit Camp (Confirmed - No. 56 Personnel Transit Centre, Portici and Gragnano)

    PAC - Parachute and Cable

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    Hi Pete,


    The Parachute and Cables (sometimes seen as "Parachute Assisted Cables") system seemed like one of those desperate measures a country under nightly air attacks would reach out for. It did indeed work though. One of my 101 Squadron subjects did this upon enlistment (later became a F/Engineer).

    There is some general information here_:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/ww2peopleswar/stories/56/a3347156.shtml

    I was also sent a six page article "Clipping the Eagle's Wings" on the PAC system (and other equally interesting apparatuses like the balloon mine) from the August 2006 "Aeroplane" magazine (thanks, Joss). If you PM me your mail addy I will send this to you.

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    Thanks for the responses; much appreciated.

    I am trying to tie the PAC (Parachutes and Cables) bit in with 78 Wing (Chain Home) .... which was where he was posted at the time. As Chain Home (and 78 Wing) was radar related I am not sure of the connection. Any thoughts?

    (Full thread at: http://www.ww2talk.com/forum/war-air/45599-wings-squadrons-info.html)

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    Nothing to do with it.

    The chap was initially trained as a ground defence gunner on a unit that in the past had been rocket assisted airfield defence.

    After training he was posted to the Wing not before.

    Post 1941 the invasion risk has abated so apart from tip and run attacks no great dive bomber defence was needed for the radar equipment and the PAC equipment no longer deployed.

    However the trade still existed, as did promotion within that trade group, but the personnel were used mostly for general lift and move rather than ground defence.

    Hanging on until the abolishment of the trade group was probably why he retrained as a fireman rather than being transferred to the Regiment on formation.

    No real advancement in his rank throughout the service and his trade groups were always relatively unskilled general duties.

    Allocated to the forces for ground operations on the invasion for Japan but reallocated to Middle East before japanese deployment to make good losses from dominion manpower being released early.

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    Ross

    Thanks for that; it is making some sense to me now.

    Regards

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    - CA Butler and the loss of Lancaster ME334 (http://rafww2butler.wordpress.com/ )
    - Aircrew Training (Basic / Trade / Operational / Continuation / Conversion)
    - The History of No. 35 Squadron (1916 - 1982) (https://35squadron.wordpress.com/)

    [Always looking for copies of original documents / photographs etc relating to these subjects]

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