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    Default Lancaster DV334 - crashed 03/12/1943

    I'm trying to find out more about the aircrew of DV334 which crashed in the early hours of 3rd December 1943 near the village of Milton in Nottinghamshire. It was from No. 9 Squadron Bardney, Lincolnshire and was returning from a bombing run on Berlin

    Can anyone give me any crew details, and did anyone survive the crash?

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    Andrew

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    Hope this provides a start point:

    3.12.43 The crew of 9 Sqdn (Bardney) Lancaster DV334, crashed in fog, out of fuel, after a raid on Berlin.
    Took Off: 16.45 (Bardney) Crashed at 00.29 whilst on approach to Gamston Airfield, Notts.

    Crash site: Markham Clayton
    A photograph of the cross, marking the spot is available at: http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c270/ ... 6O2895.jpg

    P/O K E Warwick (KIA) - Pilot
    Flt sgt T Butterfield (KIA) - Bomb Aimer
    Sgt J Graham (KIA) - Navigator
    Sgt R E Jones (KIA) - Air Gunner
    Sgt R W Davison (KIA) - Flight Engineer
    Sgt D I T Munn (KIA) - W/OP Air Gunner
    Sgt C W A Rickards (Injured)
    Flt sgt L B Owen - RCAF (Injured)

    Sources: Various

    (Have just posted the same information on Lancaster Archive for you)
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    Extra info from Chorleys Bomber Command Losses V4 . . .

    the Sqn ID of DV334 was WS~C

    Those killed were taken to various parts of the UK for burial

    Rgds

    Tony H

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    Why would there be a crew of eight on this trip?

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    My understanding is that there could have been 8 on board for two reasons:

    1. an extra pilot, flying what was known as "second dickie" (a "training flight" in simple terms, to enable him to watch another experienced pilot operate in combat conditions)

    2. an extra crew member on board to specifically operate the radar equipment

    I have added the "trades" to my previous response, but this does not help out as I can't establish the trades for the two injured crew members (both of whom appear to have survived the war)

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    Many thanks for that!

    It would be really useful to find out the crew positions of the two survivors...!

    Andrew

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    Hello,

    The ORB has the crew in the following order, but no trade against them :
    Warwick
    Davison
    Butterfield
    Graham
    Munn
    Rickards
    Jones
    Owen

    No more details than what has already been provided on the board, just that Gamston was the satellite of Ossington.

    The individual letter C is confirmed in the form 540.

    I think the crew composition should be mentioned in the "loss card", a copy of which could be asked to the Department of Research & Information Service of the RAF Museum Hendon. That should answer the question, and could also provide some interesting details.

    Only the movements of officers are given in the ORB, so it's not possible to check if F/Sgt Owen had recently been posted to the Squadron and was doing a "second dickey pilot" ops. It is my humble opinion, as he's the last in the crew list, and Rickards is likely to be the wireless operator of the crew.

    Joss

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    Joss

    Do you have the ORB's for the subsequent months to see if they flew with another crew (or crews)?

    Regards

    Pete
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    - The History of No. 35 Squadron (1916 - 1982) (https://35squadron.wordpress.com/)

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    Hello,

    Indeed, I have it, but it's time consuming... I'll try to have a look to see if one of them flew again after being injured during that crash.

    Joss

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    Joss

    I understand how time consuming it is and this case is compounded by the fact that we don't know how badly injured the two crew members were (they may never have returned to active duty).

    I will try another route to see if I can find the answer.

    Thanks for your interest and help so far; much appreciated

    Regards

    Pete
    Main areas of research:

    - CA Butler and the loss of Lancaster ME334 (http://rafww2butler.wordpress.com/ )
    - Aircrew Training (Basic / Trade / Operational / Continuation / Conversion)
    - The History of No. 35 Squadron (1916 - 1982) (https://35squadron.wordpress.com/)

    [Always looking for copies of original documents / photographs etc relating to these subjects]

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