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    Is anyone able to identify the aircraft lost by 90 Squadron on 23rd September 1943 in a raid over Hanover.
    Looking for the aircraft flown by BIRDSALL, WILLIAM Flying Officer 124844

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    Hello Pete,

    From Chorley : Stirling III BF566 WP-G. No survivor in the crew captained by P/O W.E. BIRDSALL.
    T/O 18:52 hrs from Wratting Common. Shot down by a night fighter (Hptm August GEIGER, III./NJG 1) crashing at 22:35 hrs at Gestorf, 10 km ENE of Springe. All lie in Hannover War Cemetery.

    HTH

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    Chorley says it was a Mark III serial BF566. He gives a date of 22/23 Sep.

    Birdsall and his crew of six were killed and are buried in Hannover War Cemy. The others were F/S J Hudson and Sgts B J Thomas, D E J Hobbs, E G Truman, G C A Bradshaw and R C L Cummins

    Two other 90 Sqn aircraft were also lost that night, whilst another aircraft was lost the following night.

    Colin Cummings

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    Thanks for the feedback. A couple of follow up questions:

    I understood that the collective grave numbers identified the number of crew included, for example, 15-19 would include 5 crew members. Is my understanding incorrect, as their collective grave 15-19 includes 6 of the 7 crew?

    There was one other person buried at the Hanover War Cemetery on 23 September 1943:

    GEHRIG, ROY LAWRENCE Flight Sergeant 421899 23/09/1943 20 Royal Australian Air Force Australian 11. G. 16.

    Just for completeness, is anyone able to identify the circumstances surrounding his death?

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    - The History of No. 35 Squadron (1916 - 1982) (https://35squadron.wordpress.com/)

    [Always looking for copies of original documents / photographs etc relating to these subjects]

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    Seems to be a concurrent topic with similar answers on this forum as well

    http://lancaster-archive.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=48993&sid=819a24676934aeea3181464b 1c513811

    Possibly posting the urls will stop dupictate effort

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    Hello,

    Still from Chorley, Gehrig was the rear gunner of Stirling III EJ105 HA-N of No. 218 Squadron. Steve Smith being the Squadron Historian, he might be able to expand.

    Chorley wrote that the Stirling was damaged by Flak, 3 bailed out, the other two were captured but Gehrig is buried in Hannover. Pilot F/Sgt Duffy RAAF regained the East Anglia Coast but with one engine on fire crashed at Hall Farm, Barrow, 5 miles WSW of Bury St Edmunts, Suffolk.

    Joss

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    Sorry, was just trying to help out on the Lancaster forum .... my latest questions are for my own information, not to assist with the Lancaster thread

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    Pete
    Main areas of research:

    - CA Butler and the loss of Lancaster ME334 (http://rafww2butler.wordpress.com/ )
    - Aircrew Training (Basic / Trade / Operational / Continuation / Conversion)
    - The History of No. 35 Squadron (1916 - 1982) (https://35squadron.wordpress.com/)

    [Always looking for copies of original documents / photographs etc relating to these subjects]

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    Joss

    Thanks again for the excellent feedback; brilliant stuff.

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    Pete
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    - CA Butler and the loss of Lancaster ME334 (http://rafww2butler.wordpress.com/ )
    - Aircrew Training (Basic / Trade / Operational / Continuation / Conversion)
    - The History of No. 35 Squadron (1916 - 1982) (https://35squadron.wordpress.com/)

    [Always looking for copies of original documents / photographs etc relating to these subjects]

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    GEHRIG was initially buried at Benstorf between Hameln and Hildesheim where also a part of the rear turret was found.
    Regards,
    Henk.

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    Henk

    Thanks for that; I guess he was reinterred at a later date.

    Regards

    Pete

    PS. Is anyone able to provide feedback on my question "I understood that the collective grave numbers identified the number of crew included, for example, 15-19 would include 5 crew members. Is my understanding incorrect, as their collective grave 15-19 includes 6 of the 7 crew?"
    Main areas of research:

    - CA Butler and the loss of Lancaster ME334 (http://rafww2butler.wordpress.com/ )
    - Aircrew Training (Basic / Trade / Operational / Continuation / Conversion)
    - The History of No. 35 Squadron (1916 - 1982) (https://35squadron.wordpress.com/)

    [Always looking for copies of original documents / photographs etc relating to these subjects]

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