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    Default Re-classification AC2 to AC2 (C)

    Researching an air gunner I have noticed in his Airman's Service Book that he is classified as AC2 on 27/1 1944 at enlistment and then on 10/4 1944 he is re-classified as AC2 (C) at authotity 9 Initial Training Wing.

    Does anyone know the significance of the "C" - class, grade, or?

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    Mikkel

    My understanding is that after June 1943 there were 3 grades of AC2; Grades A, B and C. The allocation of these grades was dependent on trade. PNB were the only trades allocated Grade C (the highest) and this was allocated post ITW.

    According to source, Air Gunners could only reach Grade B (on posting to an AGS).

    Rate of Pay: 3/- (Grade A), 5/- (Grade B), 7/3d (Grade C)

    Source: Observers and Navigators (C G Jefford) / AMO A.635/43 (24 June)
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    Pete
    Thank you very much. Have ordered the Jefford book at the library.

    Just to be sure I understand your post correctly:
    - if my man was graded AC2 C, then he was not classified as Air Gunner at this point? ("Air Gunners could only reach Grade B"
    - if graded C on 10.05.1944, then he had left the ITW at this point? ("allocated post ITW")
    - could you explain the abbreviation "PNB"?

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    Mikkel

    In response to your questions:

    PNB = Pilot, Navigator, Bomb Aimer. According to source, these trades would be AC2 (Grade A) whilst at ITW and then AC2 (Grade C) throughout post ITW training until the award of an aircrew badge.

    Air Gunners would be AC2 (Grade A) at ITW / EAGS and then AC2 (Grade B) on posting to an AGS.

    I think the confusion lies in the fact that your Air Gunner was assigned AC2 (Grade C) when source suggests that this was not an option (unless your person was PNB)

    Hope this clarifies

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    Thank you for clarifying.

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