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    Default P/O on probation C. E. L. Tapley Circa 1931

    After the success of my first query

    On or around June 11, 1931 Pilot Officer on probation C. E. L. Tapley bald out of an aircraft at Digby, Lincs of No 2 FTS

    He subsequently resigns his short service commission Sept 26, 1931.

    Can anyone please provide his full name or part there off from Air Force List many thanks


    Note: I have not identified this aircraft or confirmed the date

    Paul

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    Hi Paul,

    From July 1931 list

    Colin E L Tapley

    Online London Gazette gives Colin Edward Livingston Tapley

    Seavill
    Strath
    Tapley
    Wakeham


    Service numbers sequence for above is

    Seavill 29216
    Strath ?
    Tapley ?
    Wakeham 29219

    So I'm 99.9% certain Tapley was 29218

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    Paul, Hi,

    This yr man?:-

    Civil registration event: Death
    Name: TAPLEY, Colin Edward L
    Registration district: [?] Cirencester
    County: Gloucestershire
    Year of registration: 1995
    Month of registration: November
    Date of Birth:7 May 1909
    District no: 4801 Reg no: 32D Ent no: 140 DOR: 1195

    Real shot in dark. 3rd Forename poss 'Livingstone'

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    Ross/Peter

    Thanks for that -- Looks like this is 100% my man


    Ross

    How did you get the Service numbers sequence?

    Seavill 29216
    Strath ?
    Tapley ?
    Wakeham 29219

    I thought service nmber not allocated until WW2

    However, I wonder if they left "gaps" in allocation based on when someone joined service and then resigned comission before ww2 as in Tapley case if they joined back later?

    Paul

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    Hi Paul,

    Pre war officer service numbers are something I've been working to unravel for a few years now.

    In 1940 the Air Force List changed to give service numbers in the names index (see the Oct 1940 for example).

    I had been producing a database of pre war officers with their gradation dates so I added the milestone numbers from the 1940 AFL.

    With a few exceptions it worked out that most had a service number begining with the year they were commissioned Acting P/O so for your man 29 being his AP/O issued in 1929.

    Comparing names gave an alphabetic sequence which corresponds with the sequence given in the London Gazette.

    As long as the gaps between milestones is not too great then a good guess at service number is possible.

    eg

    Service No Surname Initials F1 F2 F3 F4 F5
    29200 Berry E R Edward Reoch
    29201 Blair H G Henry Gordon
    29205 Douglas-Jones E A Eric Alfred
    29208 Harkness H Hill
    29209 Hinckley G George
    29210 Hue-Williams I V Ian Victor
    29211 Jarman G T Geoffrey Twyford
    29212 Jenkins G L S Griffith Llewellyn Christmas
    29213 Redgment E D Eric Donald
    29214 Richmond R C Robert Calvert
    29215 Samuels N P Norman Philip
    29216 Seavill F C Francis Cecil
    29217 Strath F A A H Frederick Arthur Agar Hawker
    29218 Tapley C E L Colin Edward Livingstone
    29219 Wakeham F S Frederick Sleeman
    29220 Warfield J M John Mortimer
    29222 Williams O P E Owen Paul Edward
    29224 Winn R I B Raymond Ivor Burgess

    An example of a quirk that throws the sequence is between
    29205 Douglas-Jones E A Eric Alfred
    and
    29208 Harkness H Hill

    One of the officers in the Gazette Listing has an out of sequence number, but which one?


    Exclusions to the rule are Cranwell Cadets and SSC officers from overseas and other services. There is a pattern for these officers but it needs a bit more black magic in how interpretation is applied.

    As to reuse of prewar numbers it depended on how long on the retired list and if they rejoined under a different service eg AAF/RAFVR/RAFO.

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    As it not a common surname, you woudl have found the name very easy just searching in the LG during the year 1931, I know now you have more info than you expected but, jus' sayin'.

    You got the 1931 resignation info from Flight Global?
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    Ross

    Thanks excellent research there.... and most useful for the future.. One interesting case I had to sort out for someone was the service number of Jeffrey Kindersley Quill who transferred to the reserve in 1935

    He never "officially" rejoined RAF and remained in R.A.F.O throughout the war the first indication of his service number #32110 was when he requilished his commission as Flying Officer (retaining the rank of Squadron
    Leader) in 1958

    His service number (AFAIK) was never used in the London Gazette until this date. So I wonder if he had cause to use it at all during ww2

    Paul

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    Hi Paul,

    Quill flew in 1940 with operational squadrons during his time as a test pilot and his service number, issued just after his commission to P/O on 9 Oct 1931 was retained when he transferred to RAFO on 31 Dec 1935, would have been used in the official returns as well as mess bills!

    This is the service number sequence round Quill

    Service No Surname Initials F1 F2 F3
    32103 Isemonger A D Anthony Delves
    32106 Leborgne P R J Paul Richard Joseph
    32108 Lockett C E S Charles Edward Stuart
    32109 Moncrieff A Alexander
    32110 Quill J K Jeffrey Kindersley
    32111 Ross Q W A Quentin Weston Aldridge
    32112 Sisson J C John Clayton
    32113 Somerville D MacD Duncan MacDonald
    32114 Sutton J J A John Jonas Arthur
    32115 Wild F W L Frederick William Lyder
    32116 Bristow F B Follett Berkeley
    32117 MacFarlan R Robert
    32118 McMullen C C Colin Campbell
    32119 Sorel-Cameron R Robert

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    Ross thanks

    So to get my understanding service numbers were issued to RAF officers prewar but never used in the London Gazette until 1940

    thanks

    Paul

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    Dennis

    Yes I got the 1931 resignation info from Flight Global but not the rest of his name

    and anyway my reference to his bale out just had him down as "C.L. Tapley"
    Paul

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