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    Default F/L Watt, RAF 65 SQN

    Is there anybody out there who have some information about this unknown pilot? He was brought down on 7th april 1945 in area Hyllestad, Sognefjorden in Norway. 19 SQN and 65 SQN had combat this day with Fw 190 of the new reformed Jagdgruppe II./JG5. F/L Watt was the only British fighter loss and the German lost 2 Fw 190 with both pilots killed. The pilot and the wreck Mustang IV (Serials?) are not found yet.

    All information regarding Watt and also information regarding the mission is of interest.


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    Hi

    He was F/Lt G C L Watt who joined 65Sqn in October 1944. I am assuming that he survived this combat as he does not seem to be listed on the CWGC site. The 65Sqn ORB records for 7 April 1945:

    Four aircraft were airborne at 1410 hours to escort Beaufighters on an anti-shipping strike to Sogne Fjord. Close escort was provided by 19 Sqdn while 65 Sqdn went ahead with an outrider when the formation was about 20 miles from the mouth of Sogne Fjord. Visibility was excellent with no cloud.

    At 1640 hours about ten minutes after the Beaufighters had attacked two ships in Vadheim Fjord, when the formation was at position 6115 N 0600 E, a gaggle of ten Fw190s approached from the South at about 7000 feet. Our aircraft dropped tanks and attacked: F/Lt Pearson claimed two Fw190s destroyed and F/Off Black one Fw190 damaged. Unfortunately F/Lt Watt is missing he was last heard in the target area calling up at about 1645 hours saying he had an enemy aircraft on his tail and he was also seen in a dog-fight with two Fw190s. One faint call which gave a bearing but no fix led to intensive ASR search but without success.

    Watt was flying KH686 I do not have a code letter for that a/c but it seems he usually flew YTL.

    Steve

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    Knut/Steve, Hi,
    Another 'interesting one'!!
    He seems to have started his WW2 career as a 2nd Lt in the Gordon Highlanders. (see what I can get from the LG below)
    He then transfers to the RAFVR as a Fg Off.
    He then gets promoted Flt Lt
    He survives the war and goes out of the RAF. It then looks as if he was subsequently employed, as a Civilian, by some Air Ministry section with the equivalent rank of Fg Off because he gets 'promoted' to Flt Lt with a CC Commission.
    So if he was 'missing' where was he? Did he evade? Was he a PoW? And did he drop through the cracks because all his Air Force LG entries still refer to him as "2nd Lt Gordons".
    Needs an expert to sort this out properly.

    From Gordons. I4th Jan. 1941: —
    G. C. L. .Watt (124273).

    Pit. Offs. to be Fig. Offs. (war subs.), ist Oct.1942: —
    G. C. L. WATT (2nd Lt. Gordons) (47448).

    Fig. Offs. to be Fit. Lts. (war subs.): —
    G. C. L. WATT (2nd Lt. Gordons) (47448) 29 Nov 43.

    Grant of higher rank (class CC).
    The undermentioned Flying Officers to be Flight Lieutenants with effect from 2Qth Mar. 1954:—
    G. C. L, WATT (47448).

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    Thanks Peter very helpful. I am embarrassed to admit that I have given up on the LG site I don't have the time or the search skills to make it work for me.

    No entry gives his first names?

    The Army background you provide suggests that he came into flying through Army Co-operation Command I need to try to check that out - his is not a name I recognise from that context.

    Steve

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    Steve/Knut,
    This will really make your day!! (LG extracts below)
    I have found a G C L Watt born in China between 1916-1920!! Parents may have been Missionaries, Diplomats, or Army? Who knows?
    And I have found a G C L Watt Married in Q4 of 1944 at Tonbridge, Kent. Where was his Sqn based at that time?
    And, Steve, the LG can be a real pain in yours at times. But I find if you speak quietly and pleasantly while you are interrogating the LG from your keyboard it gives better results than if you swear loudly at it and threaten it with all sorts of nasty things!! Or is there something about the internet that I haven't yet discovered!!!!
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    Registration event: Birth
    Name: WATT, Gordon C L
    Mother's name: Not available before 1966
    Consulate : Chengtu
    Country: China
    Year: 1916-1920
    Volume : 14 Page: 484
    Record source: GRO Consular Birth Indices (1849 to 1965)

    Civil registration event: Marriage
    Name: WATT, Gordon C L
    Registration district: [?] Tonbridge
    County: Kent
    Year of registration: 1944
    Quarter of registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
    Spouse's last name Parsons
    Volume no: [?] 2A Page no: [?] 2011
    MarriageFinder™: [?] Gordon C L Watt married Jeannette St L Parsons
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    Well done again Peter

    If Q4 is based on a calendar year ie Oct-Dec then 65Sqn would have been at Andrews Field in Essex at that time. Some ORBs record the marriages of sqn members but I cannot spot any record for Watt's nuptials.

    I'll bear your advice in mind. I used to do better with the old LG search but altho I have tried hard to follow the advice that people have offered on the new one I am afraid my low strike rate has become too frustrating - I'd rather do my own dentistry.

    Steve

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    Just for the record it seems that Watt was on 4 (AC) Sqn from Aug43 to early 44. He may have been posted out when 4Sqn converted from Mustangs to (high altitude) PR Mosquitos and PR Spitfires.

    Steve

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    Hello Steve and Peter
    Thank you very much for all the information you have given me. Just call on me if you are looking for Nordic stuffs.
    By the way what stand LG for and what was it used to.

    Greetingd fromrainfull Norway

    Knut

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    Knut, Hi,
    Sorry! The Brits tend to use acronyms without realising that not everybody has English as their first language. LG = London Gazette - the UK Official Government 'Newspaper' for Formal Announcements. The Supplements to the LG contain most of the details of Officers Commissioning, Promotions, Awards, Court Martials, etc, etc. You could not put up your new rank rings/slides, or wear a medal, until it had been "Gazetted" - i.e. announced in the London Gazette!! The Commissioning announcements are particularly valuable to researchers as they also give the person's Enlisted Number as well as the new Officer Number (they do not change now, but in WW2 they did change).
    The on-line LG has to be looked at carefully. Sometimes the server does not want to play, and sometimes the scanning of a particular page may be full of errors. Like most things associated with computers, it ain't perfect!!!
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    Default G. C. L. Watt was rescued and held captured.

    A friend of me and I have confirmed intel on how Watt was rescued after crashing his plane. He was kept by norwegian/german authorities until peace. He then was engaged in freeing other "camped" until returning to England.

    He flew commercial, only interrupted by a short engagement by the "Air Ministry" in the 50's, until he retired in 1970.
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