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    Default Douglas smith (possible middle name albert)

    Hi i am searching a friends tree and have never got this stumped, her whole family are eluding me. the problem is she isnt sure on names and dates, so i am hoping to find this chap. DOUGLAS ALBERT SMITH B 1920 approx, i think in West Ham in Essex, parents Jack / John Smith and mother Kathleen. Had a brother William J Smith who moved to South Africa. Anyway Douglas was killed in 1940, on his photo someone has written on the back, killed in action 1940 just after he got his 'wings' aged 21. Apart from that I have no idea on anything, im really hoping someone can help me.

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    Hi,

    Possibly

    24/10/1940

    No.269 Sqn
    Hudson I
    P5132

    UA-F ( F for Freddie)

    Op: Patrol SA.1, Took off RAF Wick, 07:11 hrs

    F/L N B Mole
    Sgt D A J Smith
    Sgt J E R Sharvin
    Sgt A W Campbell

    Failed to return. Believed to have been shot down by Lt Deutschle of 6./JG77. F/L Mole, from the Republic of Ireland, and his crew are commemorated on the Runnymede Memorial.

    http://www.cwgc.org/search-for-war-dead/casualty/1807403/SMITH,%20DOUGLAS%20ALBERT%20JAMES

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    This him?

    Registration event: Death
    Name: SMITH, Douglas A J
    Unit:269 Sqdn.
    Rank:Sergeant
    Number:742822
    Year: 1940
    Volume : 13 Page: 258
    Record source: GRO War Death R.A.F. All Ranks (1939 to 1948)


    SMITH, DOUGLAS ALBERT JAMES
    Rank: Sergeant
    Service No: 742822
    Date of Death: 24/10/1940
    Regiment/Service: Royal Air Force Volunteer Reserve 269 Sqdn.
    Panel Reference Panel 19.
    Memorial RUNNYMEDE MEMORIAL

    Can't find a West Ham connection
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    You can have:

    Civil registration event: Birth
    Name: SMITH, Douglas A J
    Registration district: [?] Kidderminster
    County: Worcestershire
    Year of registration: 1917
    Quarter of registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
    Mother's maiden name: Hyde
    Volume no:[?]6C Page no:[?]127

    Civil registration event: Birth
    Name: SMITH, Douglas A J
    Registration district: [?] Ipswich
    County: Suffolk
    Year of registration: 1921
    Quarter of registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
    Mother's maiden name: Nunn
    Volume no:[?]4A Page no:[?]1837

    The first fits with him being 20 when he Enlisted in 1937. The second means he might have had to lie (like a cheap far eastern watch) about his age at the Recruiting Office!! No sign of West Ham!
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    There are three biirths with a West Ham connection

    July/Aug/Sept 1919 mother Buckle
    Oct/Nov/Dec 1919 mother Davies
    July/Aug/Sept 1920 mother Rowe

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    Default Douglas albert smith

    Hi this could be him but his brother also has the middle name james, this family are driving me bonkers! thanks for your help, there was talk that they could be from jersey, but i dont think so.


    Quote Originally Posted by Ross_McNeill View Post
    Hi,

    Possibly

    24/10/1940

    No.269 Sqn
    Hudson I
    P5132

    UA-F ( F for Freddie)

    Op: Patrol SA.1, Took off RAF Wick, 07:11 hrs

    F/L N B Mole
    Sgt D A J Smith
    Sgt J E R Sharvin
    Sgt A W Campbell

    Failed to return. Believed to have been shot down by Lt Deutschle of 6./JG77. F/L Mole, from the Republic of Ireland, and his crew are commemorated on the Runnymede Memorial.

    http://www.cwgc.org/search-for-war-dead/casualty/1807403/SMITH,%20DOUGLAS%20ALBERT%20JAMES

    Regards
    Ross

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    Hi i have tried to link all of these people up with his brother William J Smith born 1925 in West Ham, i have full details for him because i have been able to find his marriage and subsequent departure of the UK to S/Africa. I have been told now by Douglas family that it may have been a flying accident rather than killed in action. I do also have a picture of him as well now, is brilliant but you can make out a insignia. If he wasn't killed in action, is there anywhere in particular to look for his death, apart from in the civilian death, i am assuming it was in a RAF plane, cant see that he would find one elsewhere. i also have the list of the Douglas Smith war dead between 1939 and 1945, would they be deaths of those in action? or would it include accidents as well - sorry lots of questions

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    Hello akasha691,
    small world. I also looked at this for our mutual friend a year or two ago but got nowhere (stuck in the Smith Syndrome).
    As you say the family memory was rather vague.
    I recall seeing a photo of a Douglas Smith with the family memory that he was killed in the Royal Flying Corps in WW1. Definitely incorrect, as the photo plainly showed the WW2 uniform of an aircraftsman.
    However, I do not recall the notation that he was killed in 1940. Maybe our mutual friend has another photo?
    Dave

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