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    Default PR Spitfire pilot wounded 5 June 1940

    Hi guys

    Has anyone details of a Spit PR pilot shot down/force-landed at Meaux near Paris on 3 June 1940? Probably 212 Squadron. He was wounded and hospitalised. Also serial number of Spit involved.

    Cheers
    Brian

    PLEASE NOTE: SHOULD BE 3 JUNE NOT 5 JUNE
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    Is it definitely a Spit you are looking for. There was a 73 Squadron Hurricane force landed near Paris, although that was on 1-6-40, 2 days before you are looking for.

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    Hi Brian

    As a possible, but will need further checking, is F/O P.E.Barnes in Spitfire P9396.

    He was flying with 212 Sqn on 02Jun'40 in this a/c, but there are no further flights either recorded for him or this a/c after 03Jun'40 amongst 212 fragmented records. The a/c itself was used on 03Jun by F/O A.L.Taylor from Meaux, so whether Barnes came a cropper later that day on a sortie or test flight, in the same a/c is purely speculation/best guess. I should point out the records for 212 only tended to record completed sorties.

    I hope it helps and am sure some of the other Photo Recce regulars might have some input.

    Kind regards
    Pierre

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    Hello Pierre,

    I think it unlikely to be P9396 as its history (below) shows a different ending for this Spitfire.

    P9396
    Originally earmarked for sale to Turkey, but sent to RAF;
    212.Sqn from 7.4.40; damaged cat.2 on 20.7.40 (no details);
    1.PRU, FTR ops, shot down near Plouescat by 2/JG26 (Lt H
    Ulenberg) 10.4.41, P/O WK Manifould 816584 killed;
    Note: From 14.11.40 with PRU (1.Flt), but from 16.11.40 this
    unit became 1.PRU;

    Regards,

    Ian

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    Default PR Spitfire pilot wounded (5th?) 3rd June 1940

    Hello Brian,

    Ross's book RAF Coastal Command Losses vol 1.
    1st PR loss is dated 19th June 1940.
    P9392 PDU P/O. JH Nicholson +
    FTR from a PR sortie.
    (I think that the PDU became or was a part of 212 Sqdn).

    Others June 1940 losses that I have noted are:
    1-6-40
    K9818 - 616 sqn -
    K9948 - 616 sqn - F/O JS Bell
    K9836 - 19 sqn - Sgt JA Potter
    L1053 - 64 sqn - P/O TC Hey
    L1058 - 609 sqn - F/O IBN Russell DFC
    N3107 - 41 sqn - P/O W Stapleton
    N3222 - 609 sqn - F/O J Dawson
    P9317 - 222 sqn - P/O HEL Falkus - a/c recoverd by Germans
    P9339 - 222 sqn - P/O G Massey-Sharpe
    P9377 - 222 sqn - Beached 9m N of Dunkerque, a/c destroyed by pilot
    P9399 - 74 sqn -
    2-6-40
    K9924 - 72 sqn - F/O O StJ Pigg
    N3028 - 66 sqn - Sgt DAC Hunt
    N3033 - 66 sqn - Sgt FN Robertson
    N3047 - 66 sqn - F/S MW Hayman
    N3055 - 611 sqn - F/O TD Little
    N3064 - 611 sqn - F/O RK Compton
    N3092 - 266 sqn - Sgt RT Kidman
    N3169 - 266 sqn - P/O NB Bowen
    N3197 - 266 sqn - P/O JWB Stevenson ( some give this date as the 5th ?).
    3-6-40
    K9814 - 5 OTU - (hit Gladiators K7951 & K7943).
    4-6-40
    N3130 - 616 sqn - P/O EWS Scott
    6-6-40
    K9896 152 sqn - P/O BE Bell
    7-7-40
    P9331 - 212 sqn - captured by Germans
    12-6-40
    L1050 - 603 sqn -
    19-6-40
    K9884 - 152 sqn -
    L1032 - 19 sqn - F/O GW Petre
    22-6-40
    P9314 - 41 sqn -
    26-6-40
    N3190 - 602 sqn -
    P9420 - 222 sqn - Damaged on night opp
    29-6-40
    P9498 - 610 sqn - hit tractor on scramble


    All for now
    Alex
    Last edited by Alex Smart; 16th August 2012 at 02:58.

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    Pierre's logic is compelling. As he states the last sortie by P9396 in France with 212 Sqn was on 03 Jun 40. It next appears flying a sortie with the PDU on 04 Jul 40. PR Spitfires were still a rare and precious commodity in Jun 40 so if it was damaged in a forced landing it would have been salvaged and repaired if possible. Also F/O Barnes doesn't appear again with 212 Sqn or the PDU/PRU.

    Alex,

    212 Sqn was the overseas part of the PDU. 212 Sqn effectively ceased to exist circa mid Jun 40 when its personnel returned/escaped back to the UK and were reabsorbed into the PDU.

    Best Regards

    Andy Fletcher
    Last edited by Andy Fletcher; 16th August 2012 at 08:43. Reason: Typo
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    Hello Andy,

    As Paris fell to the Germans on June 14 would we have still been that far inland to recover a Spitfire on June 3 ?

    I am not expert on things in France at that time, but just a thought.

    Regards,

    Ian

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    Hi Ian,

    212 Sqn was operating from Meaux until 08 Jun 40, so 4-5 days to get any damaged a/c back to flyable condition. It still doesn't prove the theory but it doesn't disprove it either.

    The e-mail address usually causes a few laughs.

    Cheers

    Andy Fletcher
    Last edited by Andy Fletcher; 16th August 2012 at 21:49. Reason: Typo
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    Thanks Andy, I can sleep easy tonight.

    Regards,

    Ian

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    hello Andy,
    Thanks for the answer re 212 Sqn.
    Also I would like to correct the entery I made for 7-7-40.
    It should read
    7-6-40
    P9331 - 212 sqn - captured by Germans

    Alex

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