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    Default W/C KENNETH JOHN LAWSON RAFVR (759231 & 82728) DSO & Bar, DFC

    I have been researching the crew of No. 405 (R.C.A.F.) Squadron which was part of Group 8, 156 Squadron. This crew of (Canadian-built Lancaster) PB477 – LQ-B, was shot down over Rohrau, Germany, near the small town of Nufringen the night of 02 Jan. 1945 when it was returning from a successful raid on Nuremberg. 5 of the aircrew were killed; 2 became POWs who were freed in May of '45. Lawson was one of the dead as was my uncle.

    My questions concern W/C Lawson. I have quite a bit of information, some of which I feel is contradictory. He had extensive flying experience with 156 Sqdn Pathfinders Force before his posting to 405. Although I don’t have his records, he is mentioned in information I have seen on the 156 site as having served with No. 1 Depot RAF (former squadron). A London Gazette entry, issue #35139 and dated 18 Apr 1941, shows he was with 149 Sqdn when he was awarded the DFC.

    I can find no mention anywhere of Lawson serving with either No. 1 RAF Depot (squadron?) or 149 Squadron. In my research of the crew of 405, I have encountered a number of errors - both on the 156 Sqdn site and certainly with the London Gazette. Further to this regarding another member of this crew (Flt/Lt Eric Cecil Duke, RAFVR, DFM) was reported on both the 156 Squadron site and in the London Gazette as 'formerly' with 31 Squadron. It was in fact 51 Squadron Duke had flown with and I now have documents to back this up.

    I would also appreciate an explanation regarding No. 1 Depot RAF. Was this a squadron per se?
    Although I am learning, my experience is limited in researching the military of WW2.

    I would be most grateful for any help as this is my first time researching RAF/RACF/RAAF airmen.


    Carleton
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    Carleton

    This is the entry for Lawson in ' The DSO 1920-2006, Air Awards'

    Born Ealing 24/3/1913, LAC (759231) P/O 28/7/1940, 149 Sq., DFC 18/4/41, F/O 28/7/1941, AF/Lt, F/Lt.28/7/1942, Ferried B26 (FK124) to Gibraltar, Oct. 1942. No1 RAF Depot Uxbridge. AS/L 156 Sq., AW/C June 1943-July 1943, 8 Group Navigation Officer, June 1943-July 1944, S/L 7/9/1943, 156 Sq. 7/7/1944-15/10/1944, AW/C 5/10/1944, CO 405 Sq.15/10/1944 - 2/1/1945.

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    1 Depot Uxbridge, was amongst other things, a Personnel Transit Camp, which might explain him being there. No posting in date recorded in the ORB, but his ops with 149 started on 25th Sept 40, with the Donaldson crew to Calais.
    Last edited by AlanW; 17th August 2012 at 16:09.

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    Hello,

    The following might be of interest:

    23-24 Oct 1940
    149 Sqn
    Wellington IC T2740:OJ-E
    Op: Emden

    T/o 2324 Mildenhall. Crashed 0730 while trying to make an emergency landing at St. Osyth, 3 miles W of Clacton, Essex.

    70185 F/O David William DONALDSON (later DFC 149 Sqn. LG:11/2/1941,p.832).
    82710 P/O James Gordon WOOLLATT
    82728 P/O Kenneth John LAWSON
    Sgt Bell
    Sgt Bullen
    Sgt Lewis

    See:BCL1/122

    Amendments & Additions.
    3940/122 149/T2740.
    Believed hit by flak*

    See: http://www.rafinfo.org.uk/BCWW2Losses

    * No.149 Squadron again became a victim of 'friendly fire' when a British anti-aircraft battery opened fire on T2740 'OJ-E', piloted by Flying Officer D W Donaldson on 23rd October while they were returning from a raid on Emden. With a damaged aircraft, the pilot needed to make an emergency landing and the nearest landing ground was St Osyth, near Clacton, in Essex. To compound the problem, someone opened fire on the aircraft as it approached the field, sending a bullet through the cockpit. This certainly took the pilot's attention away from concentrating on the landing approach, resulting in him hitting an obstruction, and the aircraft crashed. However, the crew survived.

    See:
    Strong By Night.
    Johnson,John & Nick Carter.
    Tunbridge Wells:Air Britain(Historians),2002.
    pp.29-30

    Col.
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    Hi,

    His NOK successfully claimed the Air Efficiency Award to W/C Lawson 17-1-1952
    (The Air Efficiency Award 1942-1945 Christopher Brooks)

    Lawson had completed the minimum five years needed to claim the medal. Plus wartime service for aircrew could count as treble time towards the ten years needed for the award 1

    Also I had a note mentioning he was Canadian ?

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    Hello,

    Lawson was born in Ealing, Middlesex on 24 March, 1913.

    Col.

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    Just a minor note to add: PB477 was a UK built Lancaster. Canadian built had KB and FM serials. PB477 is in my database as a 405 Squadron aircraft lost on 2 January 1945. I have reported crash sites as either 3 km ENE of Nufringen, or SSW of Nuremburg.

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    Default W/C KENNETH JOHN LAWSON RAFVR (759231 & 82728) DSO & Bar, DFC Your Message

    To: John Larder

    I apologize for the delay in replying.

    This is great information. I had some of this information from the London Gazette entries. However, I was unable to find his commissions to F/O and AW/C and W/C. I was told that there were no mention of the last two. Also, I was unable to figure out what he did when he was with No. 1 RAF Depot. You certainly have helped clear this up.

    Thanks very much, John....really do appreciate it.

    Carleton

    Quote Originally Posted by John Larder View Post
    Carleton

    This is the entry for Lawson in ' The DSO 1920-2006, Air Awards'

    Born Ealing 24/3/1913, LAC (759231) P/O 28/7/1940, 149 Sq., DFC 18/4/41, F/O 28/7/1941, AF/Lt, F/Lt.28/7/1942, Ferried B26 (FK124) to Gibraltar, Oct. 1942. No1 RAF Depot Uxbridge. AS/L 156 Sq., AW/C June 1943-July 1943, 8 Group Navigation Officer, June 1943-July 1944, S/L 7/9/1943, 156 Sq. 7/7/1944-15/10/1944, AW/C 5/10/1944, CO 405 Sq.15/10/1944 - 2/1/1945.

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    Default W/C KENNETH JOHN LAWSON RAFVR (759231 & 82728) DSO & Bar, DFC

    To AlanW:

    It is my understanding that Lawson flew with No. 149 Squadron before he went to No. 1 RAF Depot Uxbridge. At least this is what is posted on
    http://www.156squadron.com/view_aircrew.asp?pCrewId=2029
    which shows his Previous Squadron as No. 1 RAF Depot. Apart from ferrying B26s to Gibraltar, was he probably waiting for another posting - i.e. to 156 Squadron? His first op with 156 was 08/12/1942 with Curr of the RAAF. He was reunited with Donaldson in Feb. 1943 and flew 23 ops with him.

    Many thanks for the explanation.

    Regards,
    Carleton


    Quote Originally Posted by AlanW View Post
    1 Depot Uxbridge, was amongst other things, a Personnel Transit Camp, which might explain him being there. No posting in date recorded in the ORB, but his ops with 149 started on 25th Sept 40, with the Donaldson crew to Calais.

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    Default W/C KENNETH JOHN LAWSON RAFVR (759231 & 82728) DSO & Bar, DFC

    To: Bill Walker:

    You're right on with this one! This was my mistake and my thanks for pointing it out. I can't remember the full serial number but there was another Lancaster (The Ruhr Express) that was Canadian-built. I had them confiused.

    Regards,
    Carleton


    Quote Originally Posted by Bill Walker View Post
    Just a minor note to add: PB477 was a UK built Lancaster. Canadian built had KB and FM serials. PB477 is in my database as a 405 Squadron aircraft lost on 2 January 1945. I have reported crash sites as either 3 km ENE of Nufringen, or SSW of Nuremburg.

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