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    Apols to resurrect this thread, but has anyone heard of a pilot at 1663 CU doing an operational sortie as 2nd dickie? My great uncle was supposed to be at 1663 CU starting 8 Dec 1943 and posted to 10 Sqn on 29 March but did a flight with 466 Sqn RAAF to Leipzig in Feb 1944 (technically right in the middle of his course).
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    Danny,
    Even allowing for winter weather and Christmas, 4 months seems a very long time for an HCU course. Are the details you quote taken from his record of service, or from his log book?
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    Danny
    Is it possible that your relative had completed his course, was sent to 466 Sqn, then returned to the HCU as a result of an accident or crash and was then posted to 10 Sqn? I have seen this happen before. Surviving members of a crew being returned to the HCU either for more training or to crew up with another crew. A lot of crews would pick up a Flight Engineer or second Air Gunner on arrival at the HCU.

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    1663 HCU did send pilots to fly as 2nd dickie with operational squadrons, unfortunately these went unrecorded in the ORB - unless the pilot failed to return.
    In February 44 they lost F/O Cant detached to 640 Squadron for 2nd pilot duties and F/S Everett detached to 51 Squadron for 2nd pilot duties, both on the 21/22 to Leipzig.
    I agree with the above comments regarding the length of time spent there, 4 months is too long for an HCU conversion course.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pete102 View Post
    I agree with the above comments regarding the length of time spent there, 4 months is too long for an HCU conversion course.

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    Impossible to know from ORB what other factors were in play. Just as an e.g., there was an outbreak of flu in early 1944. If a crewmember went sick, the crew might have finished on a later course. That's only conjecture, but there would be many other real life things that happened without troubling the archivists.

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    Thanks for the answers and questions gents: - His service record shows date of movement to 1663 at 8/12/43 and movement to 10 Sqn was 29/3/44 although there's alot of corrections over that entry and it looks like 102 Sqn was written originally (another 4 Group Halifax unit). I checked the 102, 51 and 76 Sqn ORBs and no flights recorded him.

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    As for completing the course and posting to 466 - not sure. I only have one entry for him between Jan and Apr in 466 Sqn. I will have to check all the ORBs in 4 Group eventually!! I know his last one was 10 April 1944 becuase he was shot down and taken POW (I visited the crash site a few weeks ago).

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    If it is possible could you post the applicable page of his record Danny, or at least his name.
    Last edited by pete102; 30th June 2016 at 18:00. Reason: spelling

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    Here is the segment of his records (Sgt Thomas Albert Crossman # 1324526)

    https://goo.gl/photos/FryS1QPz8Munm5Uz5

    Let me know if the link works.

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    Thanks for that, I’ll have a look through the Base and Station ORBs to see if anything is mentioned, one thing confusing me though is the A/B Under Training on 31/12/43.

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