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    I have been asked for help in the research of the loss of 35 Squadron Halifax HR218 which was shot down over Belgium on 29th June 1943. Four crew were killed and three baled out and became POW / Escapees.

    The reason for this post is that there is conflicting information on the net and in books regarding its fate, the timing of the loss and the "location" of the crash site.

    The claim is that HR812 was one of three aircraft shot down by Heinz-Wolfgang Schnaufer on that night. Can anyone confirm that the following listing is correct as many sites have the timing and/or crash locations of DK137 and HR812 mixed up.

    29.6.1943 01:25 Lancaster II./NJG 1 Solwaster Lancaster III (LM323) “OF-U” of 97 Sqn, RAF
    29.6.1943 01:45 Halifax II./NJG 1 Wandre Halifax V (DK137) “NP-R” of 76 Sqn, RAF
    29.6.1943 01:55 Halifax II./NJG 1 Near Vottem Halifax II (HR812) “TL-F” of 35 Sqn, RAF

    Once this is confirmed, then at least we have a start point.

    Any help would be much appreciated

    Regards

    Pete
    Last edited by PeteT; 17th January 2013 at 10:34.
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    - The History of No. 35 Squadron (1916 - 1982) (https://35squadron.wordpress.com/)

    [Always looking for copies of original documents / photographs etc relating to these subjects]

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    Hi Peter,

    for your time period Tony Wood has following victories claimed by the Luftwaffe - http://lesbutler.co.uk/claims/tonywood.htm:

    29.06.43 Ltn. Heinz Schnaufer Stab II./NJG 1 Lancaster 􀂅 9 km. S.E. Verviers: 5.900 m. 01.25 Film C. 2027/I Anerk: Nr.94
    29.06.43 Ltn. Johannes Hager 4./NJG 1 Halifax 􀂅 1 km. N.W. Maastricht: 5.600 m. 01.27 Film C. 2027/I Anerk: Nr.88
    29.06.43 Hptm. Hager 3./NJG 4 Lancaster 􀂅 1½ km. S.W. Roermond: 5.400 m. 01.30 Film C. 2027/I Anerk: Nr.189
    29.06.43 Hptm. Hans Baer 4./NJG 3 Wellington 􀂅 6 km. S. Jülich: 5.800 m. 01.32 Film C. 2027/I Anerk: Nr.89
    29.06.43 Ltn. Johannes Hager 4./NJG 1 Halifax 􀂅 1 km. E. Valkenburg: 5.200 m. 01.35 Film C. 2027/I Anerk: Nr.89
    29.06.43 Ltn. Heinz Schnaufer II./NJG 1 Halifax 􀂅 7 km. N.E. Lüttich: 5.300 m. 01.45 Film C. 2027/I Anerk: Nr.95
    29.06.43 Ltn. Heinz Schnaufer II./NJG 1 Halifax 􀂅 4 km. N. Volleu: 5.300 m. 01.55 Film C. 2027/I Anerk: Nr.96
    29.06.43 Ofw. Fritz Schellwat 5./NJG 1 Halifax 􀂅 8 km. W. Euskirchen: 6.200 m. 02.10 Film C. 2027/I Anerk: Nr.44

    But there are some differences in your list...
    Are you able at least confirm the time?

    Pavel
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    Pavel

    Thanks for the feedback; regarding the time, I have seen both 01.45 and 01.55, so nothing definite at this stage.

    Regards

    Pete
    Main areas of research:

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    - Aircrew Training (Basic / Trade / Operational / Continuation / Conversion)
    - The History of No. 35 Squadron (1916 - 1982) (https://35squadron.wordpress.com/)

    [Always looking for copies of original documents / photographs etc relating to these subjects]

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    Well not a piece of cake...
    Do you have any other information which may help? Did the WOP fro example contacted base at any time?
    Other possibility - if you will be able to confirm the place - try to check the websites of the locations of crash or try to contact the local councils - possibly in their archives might be any information which may confirm which palne crashed there.

    Pavel
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    I also have an extract from a book which suggests that it was shot down by anti-aircraft over Cologne ..... hence my confusion at this stage!

    Regards

    Pete
    Main areas of research:

    - CA Butler and the loss of Lancaster ME334 (http://rafww2butler.wordpress.com/ )
    - Aircrew Training (Basic / Trade / Operational / Continuation / Conversion)
    - The History of No. 35 Squadron (1916 - 1982) (https://35squadron.wordpress.com/)

    [Always looking for copies of original documents / photographs etc relating to these subjects]

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    Just picking up this research again ..... I have managed to establish that Luttich (in Pavel's post) is Liege but struggling with Volleu .... any suggestions?

    Regards

    Pete
    Main areas of research:

    - CA Butler and the loss of Lancaster ME334 (http://rafww2butler.wordpress.com/ )
    - Aircrew Training (Basic / Trade / Operational / Continuation / Conversion)
    - The History of No. 35 Squadron (1916 - 1982) (https://35squadron.wordpress.com/)

    [Always looking for copies of original documents / photographs etc relating to these subjects]

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    Here's the claims details that fit to this loss:

    Lt. Heinz-Wolfgang Schnaufer: 16 Stab II./NJG1 Halifax near Wande, 7 km. NE Liege (Lurch): 5.300 m. 01.45 35 Sqn Halifax HR812

    Lurch is the GCI box that Schnaufer flew his patrol in on this night.

    Cheers, Theo

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    Theo

    Thanks for the response; there seems to be a lot of confusion relating to the two Halifax that he claimed that night.

    Based on the information provided, I will see if I can find any information relating to the crash site and/or where the crew were initially buried.

    To help with my understanding, could you provide more information regarding "GCI Box Lurch"

    Regards; and thanks again

    Pete
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    Main areas of research:

    - CA Butler and the loss of Lancaster ME334 (http://rafww2butler.wordpress.com/ )
    - Aircrew Training (Basic / Trade / Operational / Continuation / Conversion)
    - The History of No. 35 Squadron (1916 - 1982) (https://35squadron.wordpress.com/)

    [Always looking for copies of original documents / photographs etc relating to these subjects]

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    Hello Theo

    Could it be that Wande is in fact Wandre ?

    Best regards
    Rene

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