Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast
Results 1 to 10 of 21

Thread: Halifax MZ289

Hybrid View

  1. #1
    Join Date
    Nov 2007
    Location
    Canada, eh
    Posts
    1,217
    Thanks
    0
    Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts

    Default Halifax MZ289

    For an acquaintance who is researching a relative: Can anyone provide information on the loss of Halifax MZ289, DY*J, lost on 17 September 1944?

    Looking for details and location of loss, and any info on fate of crew.

  2. #2
    Join Date
    Nov 2007
    Posts
    158
    Thanks
    0
    Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts

    Default

    From Chorley's BCL

    18 Sep 1944

    102 Sqdn Halifax III MZ289 DY-J Training

    Capt R C Thompson SAAF +
    Sgt R Aitchison +
    F/s G S Reader RAAF +
    Sgt R I White +
    W/O H L Locke +
    Sgt G V Greening +
    Sgt G B Gibson +

    T/o Pocklington to dispose of bombs over North Sea. Lost without trace. All are commemorated on the Runnymede Memorial. Capt Thompson SAAF came from Umtata in the Cape Province.

  3. #3
    Join Date
    Nov 2007
    Location
    Berkshire
    Posts
    2,212
    Thanks
    1
    Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts

    Default

    Hi Bill
    There is a footnote to Chorley's entry on this a/c which he has as lost on 17/9/44 "An unconfirmed report states that this Halifax crashed 40 mtrs from the Aaldonk to Reichswald road nr Ottersum(Limburg) E of the Maas(river) and on the N E outskirts of Gennep,Holland. If this is correct then the crew were way off course". Chorley records all as being on the Runnymede memorial but CWGC has the RAAF Nav, F/Sgt G S READER as being buried in Milsbeek Cemetery although there is no reference to this on Reader's Casualty File which has been digitised. The Cemetery is not far from Gennep. I don't know if it is significant but 17/9/44/was the commencement of Operation Market Garden and the rumoured Crash site , and the cemetery are both close to the main axis of the parachute operations on the line Eindhoven, Nijmegen,Arnhem
    Regards
    Dick
    Last edited by Dick; 1st April 2008 at 08:24.

  4. #4
    Bart FM Droog Guest

    Default

    Hello Bill and Dick,

    I just had a look at <a href='http://www.cwgc.org/search/cemetery_details.aspx?cemetery=2105291&mode=1'>Mil sbeek War Cemetery</a>. Looks like this was not the original burial place of F/Sgt Reader, as most graves date from 1945. It's for Dutch standards a big war cemetery - so I suppose many of the men buried here were previously buried in field graves.

    Captain Ronald C. Thompson, SAAF 206162V, age 23, 17/09/1944, missing
    Sergeant Robert Aitchison, RAFVR 1824340, age 23, 17/09/1944, missing
    Sergeant Robert I. White, RAFVR 1671475, age 21, 17/09/1944, missing
    Warrant Officer Horace L. Locke, RAFVR 1375820, age 30, 17/09/1944, missing
    Sergeant Gordon V. Greening, RAFVR 1836309, age 20, 17/09/1944, missing
    Sergeant Granville B. Gibson, RAFVR 1699599, age 28, 17/09/1944, missing

    As far as I can see there are no NN graves at Milsbeek. If the missing men are buried as NN's, they could be buried at Jonkerbos War Cemetery in Nijmegen or on one or more of the smaller CWGC cemeteries in the supposed crash area; see <a href='http://www.epibreren.com/rs/oorlogsgraven.html'>CWGC Cemeteries Netherlands</a>

    The Reichswald Forest War Cemetery in Germany could also be a possible burial site for these missing men.

    Regards,

    Bart
    Last edited by Bart FM Droog; 1st April 2008 at 11:15.

  5. #5
    Join Date
    Nov 2007
    Location
    Canada, eh
    Posts
    1,217
    Thanks
    0
    Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts

    Default

    Thanks to everyone for the quick responses. As so often happens here, we found as many new questions as answers.

  6. #6
    Join Date
    Nov 2007
    Location
    Zelhem, Netherlands.
    Posts
    6,313
    Thanks
    0
    Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts

    Default

    It's my opinion that MZ289 was lost over sea. An UNCONFIRMED report states this Halifax crashed 40 metres from the Aaldonk to the Reichswald road near Ottersum, E of the River Maas and on the NE outskirts of Gennep.
    This was NOT the location of the crash, however the place where the remains (of Reader ??) were found.
    It's believed that the remains were NOT those of F/Sgt G.S. Reader, RAAF 427548, but an American C-47 of Glider Pilot.
    This case is at the moment an instrument of discussion with US authorities.
    Regards,
    Henk.

  7. #7
    Join Date
    Nov 2007
    Location
    Zelhem, Netherlands.
    Posts
    6,313
    Thanks
    0
    Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts

    Default

    Typo in previous message:
    C47 "or" Glider Pilot.
    Henk.

  8. #8
    Join Date
    Nov 2007
    Posts
    559
    Thanks
    0
    Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts

    Default

    While checking the Runnymede Memorial for the missing, I see F/Sgt G.S Reader is listed on Panel 261.

    As he is now buried in Milsbeek, it could mean his body was identified after the Runnymede Mem was finished in 1952.

    Or maybe his body was discovered some time after 1952 ?

    Mark
    Last edited by Marks; 2nd January 2011 at 17:06. Reason: error

  9. #9
    Join Date
    Oct 2008
    Posts
    3
    Thanks
    0
    Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts

    Default maybe I can help

    Hello Bill and others.
    First let me introduce myself; I'm Frank 24 years old living in Eindhoven NL. My parents live in Milsbeek (the place where G.S. Reading is burried at the War Cemetery). I was researching the subject about a year ago, and this way already came in contact with Paul (whitehalifax) who also replied on this topic. (Hi Paul!)

    There are several people in Milsbeek/Gennep/Ottersum that confirmed the crash of the Halifax Bomber according to Paul, who spoke some people a few years ago. There is also someone living in Gennep who actually saw the plane coming down over his parent's farm, as a small boy. I tried to contact him, but I haven't been in the area for a few months.
    There is even a small memorial sign on a tree next to the crash site, left by the Aitchison familiy who visited the crash site a few years ago. I have a picture of it, I will soon try to post it on this forum topic.

    I have as hobby metal-detecting, and will try to get permission to check the crash site out in the near future. So maybe in this way I can help.

    About the strange 'Lost over Northsea' statement I have an opnion: I think Bill can confirm that the plane/crew was part of the Market Garden missions. Radio contact was already broken on the way over the Northsea, but I think they just carried on since there was nothing seriously damaged. When arriving near the dropzones of Groesbeek they were shot down by german FLAK cannons (maybe situated in the Gennep/ Oeffelt or Boxmeer area) and crashed at the crashsite near Ottersum/VenZelderheide.
    But what happend to the crew? This is a serious question since there is nothing documented about this, only that G.S. Reading is burried in Milsbeek.

    A possible theory: the crashsite is really close to the Reichswald / Siegfried Line german defences. So possibly the germans covered everything up and tried to gather information etc. But this is just a theory.

    I hope someday the truth about the crash will be found out, and I am willing to help.
    Last edited by Frankieo; 21st October 2008 at 15:03.

  10. #10
    Join Date
    Oct 2008
    Posts
    3
    Thanks
    0
    Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts

    Default

    As promissed, the pictures of the memorial sign near the crash site.
    http://www.frankieo.nl/raf/DCIM0005klein.JPG
    http://www.frankieo.nl/raf/PlaatjeKlein.jpg

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •