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    Default Several losses 23-24 August 1943 Berlin raid

    Dear all,

    I am hoping that you may be able to provide me with additional info on the crash location, time of loss and cause of loss of the following Bomber Command losses during the 23-24 August 1943 raid (I already have info on crews etc from Chorley's 1943 volume):

    -35 Squadron Halifax HR846
    -35 Squadron Halifax HR865
    -35 Squadron Halifax JB786
    -75 Squadron Stirling BF465 (crashed 7 km SW of Biesenthal; cause & time of loss?)
    -75 Squadron Stirling EE938 (crashed Mahlsdorf; cause & time of loss?)
    -100 Squadron Lancaster EE171
    -199 Squadron Stirling EH927
    -405 Squadron Halifax HR918

    With these details, I hope to be able to match a number of German night fighter claims to these losses, for publication in the Nachtjagd War Diaries 2nd edition.

    Cheers & thanks, Theo

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    Hello,

    Re: No.35 Sqn Halifax II HR865:

    AUS405591 P/O (Pilot) Lawrence Edward Nicklin LAHEY DFC RAAF. (Not HAHEY, as in BCL4/280).

    http://naa12.naa.gov.au/scripts/Imagine.asp?B=1072021

    See: pp.6-7 of 68

    and...

    http://naa12.naa.gov.au/scripts/Imagine.asp?B=5250920

    See: pp.21-4 of 47

    Col.
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    From my notes on HR918, 405 Squadron: Shot down, crashed north of Haldensleben, NNW of Magdeburg en route to Berlin on 23 August 1943

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    Hi Theo,

    Any closer to indentifying who shot down Squadron Leader Waldo Hiles DSO DFC and his 218 Squadron crew aboard Stirling EH925 IC-H on this night.

    I was up until recently in contact with Hiles son in Hong Kong.

    Regards

    Steve
    No.218 (Gold Coast) Squadron Association Historian
    No.623 squadron Research

    ~~IN TIME ~~

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    Hello chaps,

    many thanks for your welcome feedback, I have the following matchings:

    Hptm. H. Prinz zu Sayn-Wittgenstein: 65 Stab II./NJG3 Halifax nr Dorst, NNW Neuhaldensleben:5.500m 00.18 405 Sqn Halifax HR918

    Oblt. Heinz Ferger: 1 3./NJG3 pr Stirling SW Berlin: 3.000 m. 00.51 poss. 75 Sqn Stirling BF564 or 623 Sqn Stirling EH925

    Cheers, Theo

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    Hello,
    In your NachtJagd war diaries vol 1 on page 303 it states Oblt. Heinze Wolfgang Schnaufer shot down 44 sqn Lancaseter DV329 (KM-W) at 1900 hrs at 5500 mts. No problems there. This a/c was my great uncles. All the web sites I have seen state this a/c is JB537 (PH-N) of 12 sqn. I have a MACR report showing this a/c was lost at 2200hrs by flak. If you see the thread on www.lostaircraft"dot" com under serial number DV329 this will explain all my findings. Can you tell me where you got the information relating to Schnaufer shooting down DV329 as it seems all the web sites are indeed incorrect and your book correct.
    Thanks
    Fred

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    Hi Fred,

    I got most of my information on this claim by Schnaufer through Wim Govaerts, a renowned Belgian author who's written a marvellous biography of Schnaufer. On pages 96-97 of his book he details this particular victory, including a detailed story by his radar op.

    Cheers, Theo

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    Hello Theo
    Thank you so much for this info. What is the book called?

    I have some documents realting to the crew and thier seperate burial places from the Air Ministry, these are personal letters to the family of Ledsham, as well as copies and photos relating to my Great Uncle Flt Lt Charles Ellison Hill the pilot of DV329, if you want copies for any new books etc just let me know.

    Kind regards
    Fred Hill

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    Hi Theo,
    I cannot find the book anywhere on the web. Is it in english? If you have it could you copy me the pages in question or let me know where I can buy the book.
    Thanks for your help
    Fred

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    Re: Govaerts' book on Schnaufer:

    http://www.abebooks.de/servlet/SearchResults?kn=Govaerts+Nachtspook&sts=t&x=50&y= 14

    Start saving your pennies, Freddo!

    Col.
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