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    Hi all

    I've recently discovered my great uncle served with 172 squadron he is listed on cwgc as passing away on 27/11/43, can anybody help me to find out what happened to him ?

    Thank you for your help in advance

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    Wellington HF153

    Coded O for Orange on Convoy Escort from Lagens

    P/O T B Wilkin
    F/Sgt N J Martin
    F/Sgt C R Farman
    Sgt J Stobo
    Sgt T Semple
    Sgt K D Pitman

    Missing off Azores. Last heard on radio transmitting an SOS at 20:13 hrs. All are commemorated on the Runnymede Memorial.

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    Thank you Ross, very much appreciated

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    Found this as well

    27 Nov 1943
    Aircraft attack, aircraft shot down: British Wellington HF153 (172 Sqdn RAF/O, pilot P/O T.B. Wilkin)

    At 21.22 hours the boat was attacked by the Leigh Light equipped Wellington based on the Azores, escorting the combined convoy SL-140/MKS-31. The aircraft made a strafing run and was hit by AA fire in a second attack. Its subsequent crash was witnessed by U-262 and U-238 which picked up the two survivors F/S Nicolas J. Martin and Sgt Thomas B. Semple as prisoners, the other five crewmen were lost. Semple was the radio operator and later convinced the Germans during his interrogation that the Allied aircraft were able to passively locate the U-boats by homing in on the radar detection devices. This deception led to the order to turn off the Naxos devices.

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    Bobman,

    It is a good idea to quote your sources, so they can be verified. In this case you have quoted the following (without identifying the Boat concerned - it was U-764):

    http://uboat.net/boats/u764.htm

    Uboat.net in turn used the following in building up their profile:

    U-Boat versus Aircraft:The Dramatic Story Behind U-Boat Claims in Gun Action with Aircraft in World War II.
    Franks,Norman & Eric Zimmerman
    London:Grub Street,1998.
    p.99.

    Franks (and Zimmerman), claim there was a crew of seven aboard Wellington HF153 on its final flight. The seventh crewman named by Franks, is given as F/S S A Martin. 1190191 Sgt Sydney Augustus MARTIN RAFVR, is listed on the CWGC as lost on 11-12-1943, along with the following:

    1312021 F/Sgt Gordon Milton BOON RAFVR +
    109937 F/L Eric HEBDEN RAFVR +
    1315297 F/Sgt Philip Owen Hamilton HERBERT RAFVR +
    1115827 F/Sgt Harold Stuart SMITH RAFVR +
    1169978 Sgt Fred WILSON RAFVR +

    All, including Martin, were members of No.172 Sqn, and are commemorated on the Runnymede Memorial.

    Maybe someone can provide an a/c. serial (and confirm the crew), for the loss on 11-12-1943?

    Col.
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    Hi Col,

    10/11/43 (I list under takeoff date and time)

    MP766

    F/Sgt G M Boon
    F/Sgt P O H Herbert
    F/L E Hebden
    F/Sgt H S Smith
    Sgt F Wilson
    Sgt S A Martin

    Op: A/S Patrol, RAF Chivenor, Time Up 21:35 hrs

    Took off for an Inner A/S Patrol No.2 but failed to return. Last heard on w/t at 00:53 hrs reporting no enemy in the area. All are commemorated on the Runnymede Memorial to the Missing.

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    G'Day Ross,

    Understood. Thanks for the additional information.

    Col.

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