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    Default Missing details on several Bomber Command losses, 7-8 September 1941

    Dear all,

    I am looking for any details on the crash location, time of loss and cause of loss of the following Bomber Command aicraft that failed to return from the 7-8 September 1941 Berlin raid. I do of course have the details as given in Bill Chorley's 1941 volume on Bomber Command losses:

    12 Sqn Wellington W5598
    12 Sqn Wellington Z8328
    51 Sqn Whitley Z6744
    58 Sqn Whitley Z6836
    58 Sqn Whitley Z6947
    149 Sqn Wellington X9705
    214 Sqn Wellington R1784
    405 Sqn Wellington W5521

    Reason for asking is that I have four Whitleys claimed shot down by German night fighters, which I have not been able to match to actual Bomber Command losses. One of these claims may concern a Wellington loss:

    Lt. Rudolf Altendorf: 5 2./NJG3 Whitley N. Berlin 00.32
    Lt. Ludolf Schmitz: 2 3./NJG1 Whitley 500 m. W. Neuenkirchen, NE Grevenbroich 00.47
    Lt. Rudolf Altendorf: 6 2./NJG3 Whitley N. Berlin 01.00
    Uffz. Wolfgang Brendel: 1 3./NJG3 Whitley Leissnitz 01.36

    Cheers and thanks for any details

    Theo

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    From my notes (and I believe from work done by Tony Wilson in Australia originally): W5521 came down 2 kilometres north-east of Nienburg, near Erichshagen. The entire crew survived, and became PoW. I may have a crew list at home, if you need it.

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    Hi Bill,

    Thanks for sharing these interesting details on the location of loss of W5521. Any clues to the cause of loss given in your notes?

    Cheers, Theo

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    Wilson's notes says "May have been shot down by a night fighter", but I don't know his source of this info.

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    Default Missing details on several Bomber Command losses, 7-8 September 1941

    Hello Theo,
    From the AB RAF SERIAL books.
    R1784 - RAE/214 - Missing (Berlin) 8.9.1941. All 6 +
    W5521 - 405 - Missing (Berlin) 8.9.1941. All 6 pow
    W5598 - 12 - Missing (Berlin) 8.9.1941. 5 +, 1 pow
    X9705 - 149 - Missing (Berlin) 8.9.1941. All 6 +
    Z6744 -51 - Missing (Berlin) 8.9.1941. All 5 +
    Z6836 - 58 - Missing (Berlin) 8.9.1941.All 5 +
    Z6947 - 58 - Missing (Berlin) 8.9.1941. 1 +, 4 pow
    Z8328 - 12 - Missing (Berlin) 8.9.1941. All 6 pow

    It does not look like there are any updates given in later vols, have you looked at the webpages at
    http://www.rafinfo.org.uk/BCWW2Losses/
    Good luck
    Alex

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    Hi Bill and Alex,

    Thanks for the added details!

    Cheers, Theo

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    Dear all,

    One of the Whitley crew members that were killed on the 7/8 September 1941 Berlin raid was Sgt. H.B. Clark RCAF, of 51 Sqn Whitley Z6744. Does any of the RCAF experts have info on the loss of this airman and his aircraft from the RCAF file of Sgt. Clark?

    Also: four crew members of 58 Sqn Whitley Z6947 were taken PoW (P/O F.R. Wilbraham, and Sgts B.J. Kemp, L.E. Proctor, and J. Ford). Can anyone provide details on the loss of this a/c and crew from the questionnaires of these airmen?

    Cheers and thanks for any details, Theo

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    Hi Theo,
    ORBs give X9705 as T/O Mildenhall at 20.15. Target - Berlin. Marked as 'Missing' all 6 dead. No further details. 'Strong by Night' quotes 'shot down', but no source. If you need crew names, let me know.

    Alan F

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