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    Default Pre War 32 Sqn Hurricane Accidents - Bale Out Query!

    The pre war 32 Sqn ORB is lacking in any detail of many 32 Sqn Hurricane. I have a list of the following 5 32 Sqn incidents before September 1939

    26 February 1939
    HURRICANE L1675 of 32Sqn crashed on approach, Biggin Hill.

    6 April 1939
    HURRICANE L1672 of 32Sqn crashed on approach, Biggin Hill.

    2 May 1939
    HURRICANE L1647 of 32Sqn taxied into tractor at Sutton Bridge.

    9 July 1939
    HURRICANE L1661 of 32Sqn abandoned 5m S of Herne Bay, Kent.

    11 August 1939
    HURRICANE L1662 of 32Sqn hit hill in low cloud, Tatsfield, Kent.

    The only one mentioned in the ORB is 11 August 1939

    Biggin Hill 8.8.39 to 11.8.39 No 32 Squadron took part in the Anuual Home Defence Air Exercise, being employed as a night Flying Squadron. During the night of 10/11th August Flying Officer Artur Robin Buchanan Wollaston and Pilot Officer Harold Stewart Olding were killed by crashing into hills near Tatsfield

    This is confirmed by Flight

    Flight AUGUST 17- 1939

    P / O . Harold Stewart Olding (flying solo) lost his life in an accident which occurred on August 11 at Tatsfield, Surrey, to an aircraft of No. 32 Squadron.
    F / O . Arthur Robin Buchanan-Wollaston lost his life in an accident which occurred on August 11 at Tatsfield, Surrey, to an aircraft of No. 32 Squadron.

    And also Hull Daily Mail for Fri 11 Aug 1939


    Killed Two R.A.F. pilots lost their lives in two separate crashes during the blackout at Tatsfield. Surrey, early to-day. They were Flying Officer Arthur Robin Buchanan-Wollaston and Pilot Officer Harold Stewart Olding, both of No 32 Squadron. Each was the pilot and sole occupant of the machine, and although the accidents happened in the same area, they had no connection.

    A google search throws up more info on this incident

    http://napoleon130.tripod.com/id250.html

    Accidents at Biggin Hill over the years.

    August 1939: Flying Officer Olding volunteers for black-out patrol on a night of poor visibility. The Merlin engine of his Hurricane cuts out and he crashes into the hill at Tatsfield. Minutes later Flying Officer Robin Buchanan-Woolaston is ordered to drop a flare by Olding's crash site. He too flies into the side of the hill less than 100 yards from the previous wreck. Both men are killed

    Now here are my problems.

    I can't ID a second Hurricane loss for 32 Sqn on 11 August 1939 other than L1662!

    Hurricane by Edward Bishop provides a list of 32 Sqn 'L' Series Hurricanes Note series of Initial issue

    No.32 (F) Squadron, Bigginh Hill, 2/40
    L1596, L1647, L1655, L1658-L1668 (initial issue), L1670, L1672, L1674, L1675, L1835, L1836, L1841,
    L1972, L2049, L2050, L2063

    whereby
    Aircraft for the few:
    the RAF's fighters and bombers of 1940
    Michael J. F. Bowyer has 'Hurricane L1662:SD-V of 501 Squadron typifies the early wartime markings of fighters and features the Watts propeller of the first Hurricanes.'

    So we have reference to L1662 after begining of WW2 - So we may have have a mis Id somewhere

    Also (and attempting to find my baleout for L1661 we have at least two internet source that have "P/O R R Wilson on 2nd June 1940 of 111 Sqn ater a fight with enemy fighters baling out of 'L1661@ and the aircraft crashing into the sea with the pilot landed inland near Mauston" - This is most likely a misidentification

    But other than that has anyone got any info on L1675 or L1672 or L1647 as well

    Many thanks

    Paul

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    I can find no reference to L1662 being with 501 Squadron.

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    Paul,

    A possibility for your second No.32 Sqn Hurricane on 11-8-1939 is, Hurricane I L1567 - 3 Sqn/32 Sqn SOC 8-39.

    Col.

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    Paul
    info i have regarding 32 Squadron Hurricanes

    26.02.39 Hurricane L1675. Pilot P/o R.H.Chapman
    06.04.39 Hurricane L1672. Pilot P/o H.S.Olding
    02.05.39 Hurricane L1647. Pilot P/o J.W. Gillen
    09.07.39 Hurricane L1661. Pilot A.F/lt P.E.G.G.Connolly
    11.08.39 Hurricane L1662. Pilot P/o A.R. Buchanan-Wollaston
    11.08.39 Hurricane L1567. Pilot P/o H.S.Olding

    Hope this helps
    Iain

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    Iain

    does it help?

    Very much so


    Thank you very much for this info


    Paul

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    Hawker Hurricane L1675 incident details (my addition in brackets)


    R.A.F. Plane Lands on Golf Course. Golfers ran for safety when a Hawker Hurricane (L1675) plane from Biggin Hill aerodrome developed engine trouble and made a forced landing on Downe golf course (Keston, Kent) on Sunday afternoon (Feb 26th 1939). The plane came down near the eighteenth hole, and ended its course in a clump of brambles. Spectators were relieved to see Pilot Officer Chapman (Robert Hugh Chapman #40510), of No. 32 Fighter Squadron, climb out with only an injury to his nose.

    Published: Friday 03 March 1939
    Newspaper: Bromley & West Kent Mercury
    County: London, England

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    Default Re: Pre War 32 Sqn Hurricane Accidents - Bale Out Query!

    Paul,

    believe it or not but 32 Squadron had four more recorded (F.1180) accidents in the period January to August 1939 !

    29 March 1939 L1666 F/O H. a'B. Russell Taxying accident at Biggin Hill
    12 May 1939 L1667 P/O H.S. Olding Crashed on landing
    20 June 1939 L1836 P/O T.W (sic) Gillen Crashed on landing
    11 August 1939 L1658 Sgt. R.T. Ware Engine failure crashed on landing. A civilian lorry said to have run into the wreck, causing further damage. Pilot may have suffered some injury, though this is unclear. While not recorded explicitly this accident seems to have occurred in daylight hours.

    So only one bale-out from the ten accidents (Connolly in L1661).

    Regards,

    Martin.

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    Martin

    Thanks….

    29 March 1939 L1666 F/O H. a'B. Russell Taxying accident at Biggin Hill

    F/O Humphrey a'Beckett Russell 37692


    12 May 1939 L1667 P/O H.S. Olding Crashed on landing

    P/O Harold Stewart Olding

    Later killed Hawker Hurricane I L1567, 32 Squadron, RAF Biggin Hill, Bromley, Kent: Written off 11/8/39 when crashed into a field at night at The Grange, Tatsfield, Surrey. Pilot - Pilot Officer Harold Stewart Olding (aged 19) - was killed.


    20 June 1939 L1836 P/O T.W Gillen Crashed on landing

    Thomas William 'Jock' Gillen 70245

    note NOT John Woodburn GILLAN (26010)

    11 August 1939 L1658 Sgt. R.T. Ware Engine failure crashed on landing. A civilian lorry said to have run into the wreck, causing further damage. Pilot may have suffered some injury, though this is unclear. While not recorded explicitly this accident seems to have occurred in daylight hours.

    516276 Ralph Taverham WARE (52938)

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