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    Default GLADIATOR K7994 of 56Sqn Crashed "28 April 1938"

    Can anyone confirm the airman for this. I find all newspaper reports quotes "Pilot found Friday 29th April" but as this is also reported as "early morning" could it have been a night flight?

    I believe pilot was 'Sgt James Wilfred Elliott" #564608 who had broken a wrist, injured knee, and had cuts and bruises he was later killed as Flight Sgt with 56 Sqn on May 29 1940 and is on the Runnymede Memorial

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    Default Re: GLADIATOR K7994 of 56Sqn Crashed "28 April 1938"

    Hey Paul

    Wow, is this the oldest FIRST response?! Almost seven years since it was posted...!

    Elliott was with 56 Sqn from at least 1 Jan 38 until he was KIA over Dunkirk in May 1940, as you state above.

    While I don't have the 56 Sqn ORB, he appears in a Nominal Roll in the North Weald ORB on 1 Jan 1938 which might suggest he is one in the same man.

    Unfortunately, the North Weald ORB makes no mention of the accident, but then there is no entry at all for April 1938.

    Did you ever find out more about this pilot and accident?

    I THINK he may have been the Sgt Plt Elliott briefly on 41 Sqn in spring 1937, but I'm yet to find definitive proof.

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    Default Re: GLADIATOR K7994 of 56Sqn Crashed "28 April 1938"

    Post Script - Checked the 56 Sqn ORB but there is no mention of Elliott's arrival or of his accident.

    Thank goodness the North Weald ORB has a nominal roll!

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    Default Re: GLADIATOR K7994 of 56Sqn Crashed "28 April 1938"

    Steve thanks this is such an old post I can’t find the reference to my original post but I will give it a try I know where to start looking

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    Default Re: GLADIATOR K7994 of 56Sqn Crashed "28 April 1938"

    No worries.

    Please let me know if you have any further details on this chap.

    Steve
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    Default Re: GLADIATOR K7994 of 56Sqn Crashed "28 April 1938"

    OK - I have found the source - It is various newspapers printed Friday 29th April 1938 or Sat 30th April 1938 - They either all say "early today" and are evening newspapers or day 'Friday' = So the date of the incident is wrong UNLESS it was a night flight

    He was found my a motorist on the main Chelmsford road near Epping after he was injured in forced landing in Meadow - he had crawled through various fields

    He was definitely Sgt James Wilfred Elliott" #564608

    The is a 1938 Election Roll Record for a "James "William"Elliott" and his wife at Wood View, Grays in Essex - with a wife listed as Eleanor Mary Elliot - But CWGC has Mary E Elliot - I wonder if it is him ??
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    Default Re: GLADIATOR K7994 of 56Sqn Crashed "28 April 1938"

    Sheffield Daily Telegraph - Saturday 26 July 1930
    Born 1914/1916

    Local Youths Successful in Entry Examination
    RAF

    Appentices

    John Jackson Taylor, Warth-Upon-Dearne Secondary;
    William Owen, Barnsley Grammar;
    Edward Crich Clarke, Sheffield Central Secondary;
    Joseph Bellamy, Nether Edge Secondary, Sheffield;
    James Wilfred Elliott, Mexborough Secondary.

    Successful candidates are required complete 12 years regular Air Force service from the age of 18
    in addition to the training period.

    At age 30 they may return to civil life or may re-arrange to complete time for pension.
    Principal trades open to boys: carpenter-rigger, aero-engine fitter and wireless operator-mechanic

    After period of training, opportunities arise to volunteer to qualify in flying and become
    sergeant-pilots with possibility of being selected for commissioned rank later


    There is an article from
    South Yorkshire Times and Mexborough & Swinton Times - Saturday 08 June 1940
    "Reported Safe"
    Swinton South Yorkshire

    It says he reporting Missing "last week" which would be Hurricane L1972 and 29-MAY-1940 and now safe - I think this either a mistake or maybe he was missing before 29th May in another incident - Whatever the case he definitely missing - Their is a photo of him in the paper for June 8th 1940 - His wife had had a baby (Colin B Elliot' in early 1939 - His wife was Mary Eleanor Elliot (nee Jenkins) fom Wales

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    Default Re: GLADIATOR K7994 of 56Sqn Crashed "28 April 1938"

    PS An article in 1931 stats
    His older brother William Edward Elliott was 4 years older and a Corporal in RAF Malta in RAF Police in 1931 - Says trained Cranwell

    It reveals his younger brother (aged 17) James was a Metal-Rigger apprentice in RAF

    His sister married H S Broadchurch (also of RAF in 1941)

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    Article Saturday 23 September 1939 about his sister says

    Sgt Pilot J E(sic should be W) Elliott with 56th Sqn
    Warrant Officer W E Elliot training recruits

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    Default Re: GLADIATOR K7994 of 56Sqn Crashed "28 April 1938"

    Srteve

    based on http://www.yorkshire-aircraft.co.uk/...her/k8223.html

    He with 9FTS on 12th November 1936 and flying Fury he must have been advanced in Training and

    depending how long to train he could be

    "Sgt Plt Elliott briefly on 41 Sqn in spring 1937"

    Would be a idea to establish what other pilots at 9 FTS in November 1936 and when they all qualified and joined their first units

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