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    Default BoB Claims, 810145 Sgt. Aubrey C. Baker

    Can anyone tell me, please, when 810145 Sgt. Aubrey Cyril Baker claimed three probable victories whilst serving with 610 Squadron between 27 July and 29 September 1940?

    I know he claimed one destroyed Me109 on 24 August 1940 and another on 29 August, during which he was himself shot down in Spit. I, X4011. However, I have a copy of a typewritten document from the CO of 610 Squadron to the CO of 41 Squadron (he joined 41 Sqdn. on 30 Sep. 1940), which is dated 1 October 1940, and clearly states that during his time with 610 Squadron Baker "caused the following enemy casualties whilst serving with this Squadron. Destroyed TWO; Probable THREE."

    Although I have been able to establish the two aircraft he claimed destroyed, I have not found record of the three probables, and he is neither mentioned in Aces High (he went on to achieve further vics and receive the DFC), nor in Tony Woods' listings, as he does not cover this period.

    Can anyone help, please?

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    Steve
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    Steve

    Have you had a read of the 610 Campaign Diary? Baker seems to have made some claims which sound like probables:

    http://www.raf.mod.uk/bob1940/f5416102.html

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    Hi Amrit

    Thanks for that; I didn't even realise this resource was available.

    This gives me two of his probables, a Do215 and an Me162, on 29 August 1940, the day upon which he also claimed one of his two Me109s destroyed. It also confirms his second Me109 destroyed on 24 August.

    This still leaves one probable to find, but puts me ahead of where I was before, so thanks.

    I had a bit of a play around with the link you gave me and it appears that it provides just the one section of the ORB, early to late August 1940. Are other periods also available on the same site?

    Cheers
    Steve
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    Hi Steve,
    Below is a full claims list for Sgt Baker during his time in 610 Sqn taken from Shores 'Those Other Eagles'.

    24/8/40 Bf109 Spitfire I R6599 W Sheppey.

    29/8/40 BF110 prob Spitfire I X4011 Mayfield.
    Do 17 prob Spitfire I X4011 Mayfield.
    Bf109 Spitfire I K9818 Hawkinge.

    30/8/40 Do17 prob Spitfire I X4011 Ashford.

    Baker's final claims total was 3 destroyed,5 probables and 1 damaged.
    Hope this is of interest,
    Regards,Mark.

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    Hi Steve,

    He has 3-5-1 victories on his tally.
    24/8/40 Bf 109 dest
    29/8/40 Bf 110 prob + Do 17 prob + Bf 109 dest
    30/8/40 Do 17 prob
    20/10/40 Bf 109 prob
    10/1/41 Bf 109 prob
    6/6/42 Bf 109 dest
    19/7/42 Ju 88 dam

    Regards,
    Michal

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    Hi Mark and Michal

    Thank you for your replies; very much appreciated. Looks like I finally need to get my own copy of "Those Other Eagles"!

    Are you also able to tell me, please, if his last two vics were with 112 Squadron?

    Does T.O.E. also mention anything about Baker's later career? i.e. How long he was with 112 Squadron and where he was posted afterwards?

    I know that he was awarded a DFC on 4 Decemebr 1942, was promoted to Flt. Lt. (WS) on 24 April 1943, released from RAF in 1946 and died in 1978, but otherwise have nothing else after his arrival at 112 Sqdn. Any help would be appreciated.

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    Steve
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    Hi again Steve,
    Again from 'Those Other Eagles'.
    Baker was posted to the Middle East and joined 112 Sqn in February 1942.His claims while with this squadron were;

    6/6/42 Bf109 Kittyhawk I AL107 nr.Bir Hacheim.

    19/7/42 Ju 88 dam.

    Regards,Mark.

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    Thanks for the confirmation Mark.

    Regards
    Steve
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    Steve,

    An appendix in the squadron history, 'Shark Squadron' by Robin Brown, has Baker posted in/out: ? Feb 42/22 Aug 42. His officer number is given as 64892.

    The only specific mention of Baker in the main text records:

    On 19th [July] there was a big show over LG21. 239 Wing, 233 Wing and some Bostons were sent to attack 'fifty plus' aircraft, Ju87s, Ju88s and Bf109s. good bombing resulted in two aircraft left burning and four Ju88s strafed and damaged. These were accounted for by the CO, Plt Off A C Baker (an ex-Battle of Britain pilot), Plt Off Johnson and Sgt Young (initials not known).

    Another appendix has him credited with 1 Bf109 destroyed (6 Jun 42) and 1 Ju88 damaged (19 Jul 42).

    The narrative relating to the destroyed aircraft contradictorarily gives the date as 5 June: General Ritchie launched a counter stroke on the Cauldron but this ran into trouble and Rommel, far from being forced to withdraw, now overran the 10th Indian Bde on the 5th, the day that, according to some authorities, was the turning point of the battle. Once again the figher bombers were switched to meet the enemy's main thrust. Ten aircraft under the CO took off at 10.15 hrs to bomb and recce in the Bir Hakeim area. Near there they spotted four Bf109s and dived on them. The result was that 3 of the 4 were destroyed and the fourth a probable. That day the garrison of Bir Hakeim sent a message of thanks to the squadrons, 'Bravo! Merci for le RAF!' To which the RAF replied cheerfully 'Merci pour le sport!' The enemy formation may have been from II/JG27 who were escorting BF109Es reconnaissance aircraft of 4(H)/12. On the German side only one recce aircraft was recorded as lost.

    Errol

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    Thanks Errol, that's great.

    I had also originally noted that Baker claimed a Ju88 damaged on the ground on 19 July 1942, but a few of the above responses [no offense intended to Mark or Michal], including the appendix in Brown's 'Shark Squadron', which you quote from, appear to credit him with (or give the impression of) an air-to-air damaged Ju88 on 19 July. I mean, if you didn't know, you might automatically assume "19/7/42 Ju 88 dam" was an aerial victory.

    Maybe I'm reading it incorrectly, or indeed reading too much into it, or were victories against aircraft on the ground counted with the same, er, 'value' as aerial victories? Is it irrelevant if a victory was in the air or on the ground?

    Thanks
    Steve
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