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    Kenneth Digby Blyth - RAFVR 1895914 -aircrew in Lancaster Bombers -? rear gunner..I think
    shot down and buried in Holland 1944.
    I'm looking into this for a friend any details or photographs of his service that come to light would be most welcome.

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    Hello...
    You are quite right about this airman being a rear gunner....although he flew on Halifaxes....

    Serial Number: LW463 Identifier: C8-A
    Squadron 640
    Range LW459 - LW481. 23 Halifax Mk.111. Part of a batch of 360 HP61 Halifax Mk.B.11/B.111. Lw223-Lw246; LW259-LW301; LW313-LW345 (100) B.11; LW346-LW348; LW361-LW397; LW412-LW446; LW459-LW481; LW495-LW522; LW537-LW559; LW572-LW598; LW613-LW658; LW671-LW696; LW713-LW724 (260) B.111.
    Delivered by English Electric Co. (Salmesbury & Preston) between 22Dec43 and 20Jan44. LW463 was initially issued to No.158 Sqdn.
    Airborne 2307 16Jun44 from Leconfield.
    Shot down by a night-fighter, crashing on the N side of the Waal near Tolkamer (Gelderland), 19 km SE from Arnhem centre. All are buried in Herwen- en-Aerdt (Tolkamer) General Cemetery.
    F/O D.N.Cameron RCAF KIA Sgt D.H.Hooper KIA f/L B.R.Robinson DFC KIA f/O J.W.Collyer RCAF KIA Sgt L.E.Basford KIA F/O J.W.Summers KIA Sgt K.D.Blyth KIA "
    Start Airport: Leconfield
    Destination: Sterkrade
    Date: night of 16 to 17 June 1944
    www.cwgc.org
    BLYTH, KENNETH DIGBY
    Rank:
    Sergeant
    Trade:
    Air Gnr.
    Service No:
    1895914
    Date of Death:
    17/06/1944
    Age:
    34
    Regiment/Service:
    Royal Air Force Volunteer Reserve

    640 Sqdn.
    Grave Reference
    Row A. Grave 11.
    Cemetery
    HERWEN-EN-AERDT (TOLKAMER) GENERAL CEMETERY
    Additional Information:
    Son of William Digby Blyth and Florence Mabel Blyth; husband of Mary Irene Blyth, of Ealing, Middlesex.

    ALL the best and I do hope you will find pictures and maybe more details about him...I can try to help you cross-checking some LW claims for that night...we can try to pin-point WHO shot them down....

    Adriano Silva Baumgartner

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    many thanks for this information and also the very speedy response. I will pass this on and see if my friends wish to take it further.
    Thanks again

    Mike

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    First Op seems to be Leipzig 19/20 Feb 1944 (LW555), Stuttgart 20/21 Feb (LW555), Augsburg 25/26 Feb (LW499) early return, 1/2 March Stuttgart (LW555) early return, 15/16 March Stuttgart (LW555), 18/19 March Frankfurt (LW555), 22/23 March Frankfurt (LW555) early return, 9/10 April Villeneuve-St-Georges (LW654), 10/11 April Tergnier (LW654), 18/19 April Tergnier (LW434) early return, 20/21 April Ottignies (LW464), 22/23 April Dusseldorf (LK866), 24/25 April Karlsruhe (LK866) early return, 26/27 April Villeneuve (MZ541), 27/28 April Montzen (MZ541), 30 April/1 May Acheres (LK866),1/2 May Malines (Mechelen) (LK866), 6/7 May Mantes La Jolie (MZ561), 9/10 May Morsalines (LW641), 11/12 May Colline Beaumont (LK866), 19/20 May Boulogne (LW866), 27/28 May Bourg Leopold (MZ678), 12/13 June St. Roch (Amiens) (LW654), 16/17 June Sterkrade (LW463).

    I don't have the detailed crew lists for each op but these are the dates the Cameron crew operated.
    Source No.640 (Halifax) Squadron, RAF Leconfield - Bill Norman.

    On the night they were lost F/Lt. B.R. Robinson DFC, the squadron navigation leader, took the place of their regular navigator V.S. Mears who survived the war.

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    I am not trying to hijack this Thread (perhaps a new Thread should be opened?).
    But some simple stats from that list (Post #4) of Dates, Ops, Targets, a/c, and outcomes has got me thinking.
    We are looking at roughly 5 months (Feb - Jun 44) - i.e. about 120 nights. This lot were out for 24 nights, or an average of about 1 night in 6 (some were many nights on the trot!). Would this have been average for Hali crews in 1944?
    I note that most of the targets in May 44 (prior to D-Day) were D-Day orientated - like bridges over the Seine, etc.
    But the thing that struck me was the number of "Early Returns" - about 21%!!!!!!!!!!! Again, was this average (taking into account the odd 'Rogue a/c' (same like the fabled Friday Afternoon mass produced car of post-war years!))?
    In short, does this list (give or take the odd decimal point!) represent a reasonable microcosm of BC activities around this time?
    I'm not trying to cast nasturtiums. I simply seek enlightenment!
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    Also not trying to hijack this thread, but...

    Bomber Command tasking was officially switched to pre-invasion targets on 4 March 1944 (although a few tactical missions had been flown earlier), much to Bomber Harris' disgust. A few German cities were targeted during this time, but usually only if they had some conection to the supply of forces in France. They did not seriously return to strategic targets in Germany until late 1944.

    The return rate appears to be much above average. Numbers I have for 6 Group show their earlier return rate in early 1944 had decreased to under 12%, after much struggle and exhortation from Group Command, but was still amongst the highest in Bomber Command. 6 Group had many Halifax squadrons at this time.

    The missions per day rate largely depended on the weather. Night bombing was still pretty much a VFR exercise at that time. Bomber Command regularly flew night after night after night throughout the war, when the weather permitted it. Maybe Peter can enlighten us to what was going on over the Continent during this time!

    Also, Bomber Command was heavily engaged in what became known as the Battle of Berlin from November 1943 to late February 1944. They suffered heavy losses in this period, 300+ aircraft over Germany in January alone. There may have been a bit of a let up after this to re-equip the squadrons.
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    Peter

    The invaluable Bill Norman has the stats for 640 Sq. - 1944 1,875 a/c airborne early returns 81, 1945 2,449 a/c airborne early returns 96

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    John/Bill (et al),
    Tks all the info. It was really that 21% Early Return that alerted me. John's figures of around 4% are much more believable - and what I would have expected (give or take a/c type, engine type, operational requirement, etc).
    This Thread is therefore formally de-Hijacked!
    Tks
    Peter Davies
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    Default Fw. Heinz Misch (from 7./NJG 2) probable victor over Halifax C8*A

    CAVOK,

    From the Luftwaffe claims for that night (see below) it seems Feldwebel Heinz Misch, from 7./NJG 2 seems to be the most "probable" victor over the Halifax from 640 Squadron of your relative...

    Contact me at: baumgartner_asv@yahoo.com.br
    I can help you with details of other two LW airmen that were airborne and claimed that night.

    Yours must sincerely,
    Adriano S. Baumgartner

    Night: 16-17. June 1944
    R.A.F. Bomber Command: STERKRADE/HOLTEN
    JaFü I. Jagdkorps/Lfl. Reich:
    17.06.44 Uffz. Oppermann 1./NJG 1 Halifax ��östw. FuF. Brisbar at 6.000 m. 00.53 Film C. 2027/II Anerk: Nr.34
    17.06.44 Fw. Willi Morlock 3./NJG 1 4-mot. Flzg. ��N.W. Tilburg: 5.800 m. 01.02 Film C. 2027/II Anerk: Nr.123
    17.06.44 Hptm. Heinz Strüning 3./NJG 1 4-mot. Flzg. ��FuF. Gorilla at 6.000 m. 01.07 Film C. 2027/II Anerk: Nr.124
    17.06.44 Oblt. Werner Baake 2./NJG 1 4-mot. Flzg. ��Feindhoren: 5.500 m. 01.10 Film C. 2027/II Anerk: Nr.102
    17.06.44 Oblt. Josef Nabrich 3./NJG 1 4-mot. Flzg. ��FuF. Kürfurst at 5.500 m. 01.12 Film C. 2027/II Anerk: Nr.125
    17.06.44 Hptm. Heinz Strüning 3./NJG 1 4-mot. Flzg. ��FuF. Gorilla at 6.200 m. 01.13 Film C. 2027/II Anerk: Nr.126
    17.06.44 Hptm. Wagner 7./NJG 2 4-mot. Flzg. ��LN-LO-KO-KN: 5.800 m. [Geldern area] 01.13 Film C. 2027/II Anerk: Nr.35
    17.06.44 Fw. Willi Morlock 3./NJG 1 4-mot. Flzg. ��FuF. Brisbar at 4.500 m. 01.14 Film C. 2027/II Anerk: Nr.-
    17.06.44 Ltn. Kristopher 3./NJG 7 4-mot. Flzg. ��Thiel: 5.800 m. 01.20 Film C. 2027/II Anerk: Nr.1
    17.06.44 Oblt. Johannes Hager 6./NJG 1 4-mot. Flzg. ��Duisburg: 5.400 m. 01.20 Film C. 2027/II Anerk: Nr.51
    17.06.44 Fw. Püchner 6./NJG 1 4-mot. Flzg. ��Duisburg Objective: 5.300 m. 01.38 Film C. 2027/II Anerk: Nr.52
    17.06.44 Oblt. Lippert 10./NJG 3 4-mot. Flzg. ��FuF. Kürfurst at 4.700 m. 01.40 Film C. 2027/II Anerk: Nr.27

    17.06.44 Fw. Heinz Misch 7./NJG 2 4-mot. Flzg. ��S.E. Arnheim: 5.200 m. 01.40 Film C. 2027/II Anerk: Nr.36

    17.06.44 Ltn. Heinz Reuter 7./NJG 2 4-mot. Flzg. ��FuF. Kürfurst at 4.500 m. 01.41 Film C. 2027/II Anerk: Nr.37
    17.06.44 Oblt. Johannes Hager 6./NJG 1 4-mot. Flzg. ��N.W. Deelen: 4.100 m. 01.43 Film C. 2027/II Anerk: Nr.53
    17.06.44 Hptm. Berthold Ney Stab III./NJG 2 4-mot. Flzg. ��15 Ost S/HM at 3.800 m. [Apeldoorn] 01.45 Film C. 2027/II Anerk: Nr.14
    17.06.44 Major Schäfer 2./NJG 1 4-mot. Flzg. ��FuF. Kürfurst at 4.500 m. 01.46 Film C. 2027/II Anerk: Nr.103
    17.06.44 Hptm. Adolf Breves Stab IV./NJG 1 4-mot. Flzg. ��IL-HL at 4.200 m. [Utrecht] 01.46 Film C. 2027/II Anerk: Nr.102
    17.06.44 Uffz. Hans Schadowski 3./NJG 3 4-mot. Flzg. ��30 km. N.W. Duisburg: no height 01.47 Film C. 2027/II Anerk: Nr.96
    17.06.44 Ltn. Hans Schäfer 7./NJG 2 4-mot. Flzg. ��IN-IO-HO-HN: 5.700 m. [Stadlohn area] 01.48 Film C. 2027/II Anerk: Nr.38
    17.06.44 Oblt. Josef Nabrich 3./NJG 1 4-mot. Flzg. ��FuF. Kürfurst at 6.000 m. 01.49 Film C. 2027/II Anerk: Nr.125
    17.06.44 Oblt. Alfons Köster Stab III./NJG 2 4-mot. Flzg. ��KM-5 Volkel at 4.000 m. 01.50 Film C. 2027/II Anerk: Nr.15
    17.06.44 Hptm. Adolf Breves Stab IV./NJG 1 4-mot. Flzg. ��IM-1.4 at 4.000 m. 01.50 Film C. 2027/II Anerk: Nr.103
    17.06.44 Oblt. Georg Fengler Stab IV./NJG 1 4-mot. Flzg. ��FuF. Kurfürst at 4.000 m. 01.51 Film C. 2027/II Anerk: Nr.104
    17.06.44 Ltn. Hanneck 6./NJG 1 4-mot. Flzg. ��Volkel at 4.200 m. 01.53 Film C. 2027/II Anerk: Nr.54
    17.06.44 Hptm. Heinz Schnaufer Stab IV./NJG 1 4-mot. Flzg. ��FuF. St. Trond: 4.000 m. 01.54 Film C. 2027/II Anerk: Nr.105
    17.06.44 Hptm. Adolf Breves Stab IV./NJG 1 4-mot. Flzg. ��Seiden at 3.600 m. 01.59 Film C. 2027/II Anerk: Nr.106
    17.06.44 Hptm. Heinz Schnaufer Stab IV./NJG 1 4-mot. Flzg. ��FuF. St. Trond: 3.800 m. 02.04 Film C. 2027/II Anerk: Nr.107
    17.06.44 Uffz. Sarzio 6./NJG 1 4-mot. Flzg. ��FuF. Deelen: 4.200 m. 02.05 Film C. 2027/II Anerk: Nr.55
    17.06.44 Fw. Teschner 2./L.Beo.St. 4-mot. Flzg. ��Rotterdam: 4.000 m. 02.01 Film C. 2027/II Anerk: Nr.2
    17.06.44 Ltn. Fehre 2./L.Beo.St. 4-mot. Flzg. ��FuF. Kurfürst at 4.000 m. 02.12 Film C. 2027/II Anerk: Nr.3
    17.06.44 Ltn. Walter Briegleb 10./NJG 3 4-mot. Flzg. ��FuF. Kurfürst at 4.000 m. 02.16 Film C. 2027/II Anerk: Nr.28
    17.06.44 Hptm. Paul Förster Stab I./NJG 1 4-mot. Flzg. ��Obj. Duisburg: 4.300 m. 02.20 Film C. 2027/II Anerk: Nr.56
    17.06.44 Fw. Müller 4./NJG 1 4-mot. Flzg. ��FuF. Stephan at 4.400 m. 02.24 Film C. 2027/II Anerk: Nr.74
    17.06.44 Ltn. Josef Förster 8./NJG 2 4-mot. Flzg. ��GG at 2.900 m. [North Sea] 02.32 Film C. 2027/II Anerk: Nr.14
    17.06.44 Hptm. Martin Drewes Stab III./NJG 1 Lancaster ��GH-7 at 4.700 m. [North Sea] 02.16 Film C. 2027/II Anerk: Nr.56
    17.06.44 Hptm. Martin Drewes Stab III./NJG 1 Lancaster ��Amsterdam: 4.500 m. 02.05 Film C. 2027/II Anerk: Nr.55

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