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    Default 115 Sqn Wellington Incident Late 1939

    I have a 115 Sqn crew who all seemed to have bailed out of a 115 Sqn Wellington in Late 1939 (Oct/Nov/Dec) but I can't find a loss for them can anyone else ?


    P/O R A Gayford
    Sgt R H Hardy
    Sgt William L MacDonald #580877
    LAC W Smith
    AC1 Robert C Peel #629076

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    Paul,

    Thought l'd make your day !

    GAYFORD, Roy Allen., F/O (40295)
    Killed in Action - (Runnymede)

    Born in Olds, but raised in Bassano, Alberta. He enlisted in August 1937, and flew on a raid on the Kiel Canal on the first day of the war. In November 1939, returning in a damaged aircraft, he baled out and broke an ankle. Flying with No.115 Squadron in Whimps on April 7 1940*, he was lost on a raid over Sylt Island.

    See:
    Canadians in the Royal Air Force
    Allison,Les.
    Roland:Author,1978.
    p.142

    * BCL1/35. Peel and Macdonald lost on same op (different a/c.).

    1 step forward, 2 back ! Allison is notoriously unreliable !!

    Col.
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    Col

    So that's getting better looking for Wellington loss November 1939 115 Sqn

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    Paul,

    Just checked the AM Form 1180's and could not find any reference to a prang on this date? Decided to check the AM Form 78's. Wellington Mk.Ic N2848 only served on O.T.Us, Wellington N2948 served only on No.115 (B) Squadron!

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    Steve

    thanks for looking up AM Form 1180's

    When you say "could not find any reference to a prang on this date" are you refering to 24.12.39 or 24.2.40 for N2948

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    Paul,

    Dug a little deeper:-

    Three further sweeps were flown that month (December 1939), on the 18th (three aircraft), 21st (18 aircraft) and 24th (17 ? aircraft), all with no result. The last of these called for the aircraft to sweep the Danish and Norwegian coastal areas. The six involved in the Danish operation returned with no problems, but those sent to Norway had not returned by the time fog had started to form at Marham. One eventually reached home using direction finding (DF), but of the other two, Sqn Ldr Glencross landed at Mildenhall and Fg Off Newman* crash-landed at Martlesham Heath. The latter aircraft had an hydraulic problem, probably caused by battle damage, and the captain ordered the crew to bale out before he attempted a crash-landing.

    See:
    RAF Marham.
    Delve,Ken.
    Sparkford:P.S.L.,1995.
    pp.26 & 29

    * P/O Gayford flew as F/O Newman's second pilot on No.115 Squadron's abortive 8th October 1939 raid.

    Iffy, but we don't have much else. If it doesn't help with this query, maybe a later one.

    l have checked the 115 Squadron losses in Appendix II of Delve's, RAF Marham, and the Loss Lists in Chris Ward and Steve Smith's 3 Group Bomber Command. Neither show any 1939 losses.

    Col.
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    Nov/Dec 1939

    OK so we have a 115 Sqn Wellington that possibly damaged and landed OK but crew except pilot bailed out - thta prob why can't find crash reference

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    Paul,

    December 24th 1939.

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    Gents,

    This could be Wellington Mk.Ia N2948 or N2848 of No.115 Squadron which was reported to have crashed at RAF Martlesham Heath on December 24th 1939 at around 18.00hrs skippered by F/O John Francis Newman 37823*. the remainder of his crew appears to have bailed out.

    If you want the full crew list please let me know.

    *Later Group Captain DSO DFC

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    Steve thanks.. If you could confirm crew the would be great and serial would be a bonus


    Paul

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