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    Default Canadian Firefly crash, Glen Trool, Scotland 14.09.45

    Hi all,

    A little off-topic with this being a Canadian aircraft but I am running out of places to check.

    I am trying to tie up some loose ends in my records. I have a note that a Canadian Fairey Firefly crashed at Glen Trool in Scotland on 14th September 1945.

    Is anyone able to confirm the identity of the aircraft, crew, location and circumstances of the crash?

    Many thanks,

    Jim
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    Hi Jim

    I have no record of a Firefly crash in Scotland on that date. Nor do I have a Barracuda on that area on that date (which might have been an alternative). 825 Sqn (jointly RN & RCN manned) formed at RNAS Rattray on 1 July 1945 with the Barracuda, which was gradually replaced with the Firefly FR.1. On 24 Jan 1946 HMCS Warrior was commissioned and 825 became an official RCN air squadron. The carrier arrived at Halifax, NS, on 31 March 1946. The other Canadian carrier, HMCS Magnificent, wasn't ready until 1948, so the two sqns forming her Air Group, 826 (Firefly) and 883 (Seafire) but these were temporarily disbanded in Feb 1946.

    I suspect therefore that your query aircraft was still be RN as at September 1945 but may have had RCN or RCNVR crew members.

    There is a book on the a/c: Fairey Firefly In The Royal Canadian Navy" by Leo Pettipas. Soft covered, 8.5" x 11"; 109 pages; 1987. ISBN 0-9692528-1-1 but I don't have a copy to check.

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    Many thanks Keith,

    Local newspapers claim it was a Seafire but I have also found reference to it being a Firefly.

    The mystery continues. There are several crashes in the Glen Trool area and I have a map reference for wreckage on a hill where I have no record of anything crashing. I will try to check this out this year in the hope of finding some part numbers which may at least identify the type.

    I will try to look up a copy of that book.

    Many thanks,

    Jim
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    It was not a Firefly, the aircraft involved was Wildcat JV404 11-09-1945, crashed somewhere to the east of Palgowan Farm, the pilot's death is registered as Bennan.
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    Thanks Alan. You have just confirmed my mystery map reference site which is on Bennan Hill.

    Jim
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    Hi,

    The only FAA death that seems likely on 11/9/45, is Ty Sub-Lt (A) Thomas A. Oliphant RNVR, escort carrier HMS Premier.

    Premier was operating at the time as a Deck Landing Training (DLT) carrier in the Firth of Clyde.
    During the period 11-27 Sept. 11, 1945, No. 768 DLT Squadron were flying out to Premier from their base at RNAS Ballyhalbert for landing practice.

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    Yes, it was T/Sub-Lt Oliphant. He was a Canadian from Toronto, though he is buried at Elgin New Cemetery, Morayshire. I have the crash as at Palgowan Farm, Bargrennan, 9mls NW of Newton Stewart. JV404 was on delivery to Ayr from Stretton with another Wildcat, when it crashed in cloud. The a/c had been in action with 898 Sqn off Norway in May 1944. As angelsonefive says, Sub-Lt Oliphant was with HMS Premier (a 'Ruler'-class Escort carrier).

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    Many thanks everyone for the help. I'll let you know if I find anything at the crash site when I visit later this year.

    Jim
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