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    Default Hurricanes KZ398 & KZ674 crashed 13.09.43 at Shalloch on Minnoch, Ayrshire

    Hi,

    I am seeking the names of the pilots of Hurricanes KZ398 and KZ674, both of 186 SQN which crashed on Shalloch on Minnoch on 13.09.43.

    Many thanks,

    Jim
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    http://www.hut-six.co.uk/cgi-bin/search39-47.php

    Search on the above and there are only two 186 sqn returns for that date.

    Im searching on my smartphone so having some flash player problems.
    One name is CT Hicks

    You can get this from searching using the main cwgc.org site also.
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    Other is CR Sanders

    Unless there were other 186 Sqn losses this day.
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    Thanks to you both. They are indeed the two airmen lost in this crash. I now have their death certificates but unfortunately they do not record the death in any more detail, stating they were both killed on Shalloch on Minnoch.

    I will have to do some more work on these two in the local area.

    Many thanks,

    Jim
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    Hello Jim,

    To start you off here are the squadron records for the two unfortunates,

    September 13, while on low flying formation in the vicinity of Shalloch on Minnoch, Ayrshire a flight of four Hurricanes entered cloud. The two outside aircraft climbed above cloud base and returned to base but F/Lt C R Sanders and F/O C T Hicks were reported missing, their aircraft KZ674 and KZ398. They had taken off at 11:30 hours. In poor weather conditions, a search was begun, S/Ldr F E G Hayter flying a Hurricane to the area in which they were last seen, but low cloud obscured the hills.

    September 14 Air search by aircraft of the squadron and of 1490 Gunnery Flight was continued and a ground party was sent out by RAF Station Turnberry, but low cloud still hampered their efforts to locate the missing aircraft. Eleven sorties were made.

    September 15 At 00:20 hours the ground search party located F/Lt Sanderís aircraft KZ674, wrecked on the slopes of Shalloch on Minnoch. There had been no fire and the pilotís death was caused by a fractured skull. Only three sorties were possible, two aircraft being taken to Milfield for harmonization of armament.

    September 16 F/O Hickís aircraft KZ398 was found on Shalloch on Minnoch about a mile and a quarter from the scene of the other crash. All but the tail was buried in soft ground, the pilot having been thrown clear and killed.

    September 18 The funeral of F/Lt Sanders with full service honours, took place at Ayr Cemetery.

    September 20 The funeral of F/O Hicks, attended by his mother and sister, took place at Ayr Cemetery.

    Regards,

    Ian

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    Many thanks Ian,

    This all adds to the story and you have answered my next question, who was flying which aircraft!

    Next step the local shepherds and a long walk!

    Jim
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    Hicks was flying KZ398 and Sanders was in KZ674 according to the 1180s.
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    Hello Al,

    Correct and as per the 186 sqdn ORB (540 and 541 forms)

    Regards,

    Ian

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