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    Default 616 Sqn losses 19 August 42

    Hello,

    During Operation Jubilee, 616 Sqn lost two Spitfires against the Luftwaffe, one pilot was killed (Sgt Coldrey) while F/L Fifield was rescued.

    Does anyone know which Spitfire, a Mk.VI, the pilots were flying that day?

    Any help would be appreciated

    TIA
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    Phil

    One of them was AB529.
    616 a/c, AB513 & AB516 have no fate listed for them in ABS so are possibilities for the other.
    regards
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    AB529 - 616 Sqdn, Dieppe Raid, Shot down in air combat with Fw190 (crashed nr Middelkerke) on 19.8.42, Sgt N W J COLDRAY (Coldrey ?) killed.

    As reported 616 Sqdn lost a further Spitfire but the serial number is elusive. AB513 & AB516 appear to carry on after this date.

    Also this day it appears that 616 sqdn reported battle damage to BR255, BR563 & BR983.

    BR255 - damaged in air combat with Fw190, Sgt N G WELCH 1268964 safe. My record unclear but looks like the undercarriage collapsed on landing.

    BR563 - - damaged in air combat with Fw190. Sgt J E Rogers 136542 safe.

    BR983 - Details lacking.

    Would welcome confirmation that the three damaged aircraft are a true statement.

    Thanks,

    Ian

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    Hello Ian,

    Thanks for the Coldrey's aircraft (second mission of the day).

    This is some update:

    AB513 and AB516 did partipated to Operation Jubilee...but with 124 Sqn! as far as the 124 ORB is reliable. They were serving the 124 since the conversion on that type. So the missing Mk.VI (F/L Fifield - third mission) must be another one, but which one?

    Welch: Indeed a Battle damage (616 ORB), hit by cannon, shells having probably hit the hydrolics. Belly landing. (second mission of the day)

    There is no record on the ORB regarding other losses. The ORB states one pilot lost and three aircraft, even if Welsch's aircraft was later repaired.

    AB534 can be the other one. In the Shacklady, it is written that is was destroyed in a flying accident on 19.08 while serving with 616. The 616 does report the flying accident at that time, but no statement about that. Any comment is welcome.

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    Hello Phil,

    Thanks for your comments.

    Further notes for AB534 - to 616 sqdn May 28, 1942 also mention of going to A & AEE for trials, Cat E August 19, 1942 SOC 23rd
    Could have returned to 616 sqdn as SOC date coincides with Op Jubilee ?

    AB513 to 124 sqdn July 15, 1942, to 616 sqdn September 15, 1942.

    AB516 to 124 sqdn July 15, 1942, to 616 sqdn August 18, 1942 so maybe with 616 sqdn for Jubilee ?

    BR255 continued with 616 sqdn into 1943 and was SOC February 9, 1945.

    Regards,

    Ian
    Last edited by ian94avenge; 1st May 2013 at 18:56. Reason: BR255 added

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    Hello Ian,

    AB534 is not listed in Air-Britan book: UK Flight Testing Accident 1940-1971

    Regards

    Phil

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