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    Default Sgt William David McAdam #519802 23 Sqn Battle of Britain (64 Sqn previously?)

    This individual was with 23 Sqn from at least June 1940 (not July 1940) as posted elsewhere. Can anyone tell me where he was posted from prior to 23 Sqn (where he was initially a Cpl).

    I suspect he is my AC1 W McAdam who bailed out of Hawker Demon K8201 of 64 Sqn at Melbourn, near Duxford, Cambridgeshire on August 7, 1938 (Pilot was P/O Stanley John Daly Robinson)

    He is down in ORB as AC1 "MacAdam" newspaper reports say "S E Macadam" but no SE Macadam or S E McAdam in Air 78. I note S and E are near W and D in keyboard! and Irvin 1940 list has W McAdam

    A biography of him online says " from Grangemouth Stirlingshire joined the RAF in April 1935 as an Aircrafthand but later remustered as an Air Gunner. After training he was posted to 23 Squadron in 'July' 1940 ' I know the last bit is wrong as he I in ORB form June 1940. His promotion progression would suggest me he could be same person and fact that 64 Sqn went from Demon to Blenheim could also be a clue.

    He was killed 31st August/1st September 1941 Havoc I AW404

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    Default 64 Sqn Transferred to Spitfires April 1940 Crews to ????

    In April 1940 64 Sqn converted from Blenheims to Spitfires, I assume some of the non pilot aircrew (and maybe pilot) moved to other Sqns can anyone confirm a 'en-mass migration'

    The reason is Sgt William David McAdam who was with 23 Sqn from June 1940 (not July 1940 as in Men of BoB)

    The issue I have is that MoBoB says

    William David McAdam #519802, from Grangemouth, Stirlingshire joined the RAF in April 1935 as an Aircrafthand but later remustered as an Air Gunner. After training he was posted to 23 Squadron operating Blenheims at Collyweston in "early July 1940".

    Now the 23 Sqn ORB confirms he there from at least June 1940 as a Cpl


    There is a Cpl McAdam in October 1939 at 64 Sqn - I suspect it is the same man and he (as he was trained Blenheim gunner crew) just transferred to 23 Sqn on or around May 1940 when 64 Sqn converted to Spitfires

    There is a mystery Pre war 64 Sqn bale out from a Demon (K8201) at Melbourn, near Duxford, Cambridgeshire on August 7, 1938. The Pilot was P/O Stanley John Daly Robinson
    (There were 3 other crew baleouts that night as Sqn got lost in fog). the ORB (for this incident) has AC1 Macadam, newspapers quote Aircraftman "S. E. MacAdam", Irvin in letter to RAF 1940 quotes AC1 W McAdam and I am now 99% sure it is William David McAdam

    thanks
    Paul

    I think MoBoB is missing his time at 64 Sqn
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    Default W D McAdam

    Hi Paul,

    You are correct with your information regarding McAdam.

    He was indeed with 64 Squadron (as a corporal) prior to moving to 23 squadron.
    In fact, that same situation was replicated for several other 64 squadron air gunners that went on to serve in the Battle of Britain.

    Ones that immediately come to mind are Dye, Beveridge, Sumner and Corcoran, all of whom were with 64 squadron and were posted on to various Blenheim operating Squadrons when 64 received their Spitfires.
    Sadly the ORB does not record the date of their move.
    McAdam's last recorded flight with 64 was in Blenheim L1471 on April 8th 1940.
    Blenheim flights continue until April 10th 1940 when they cease.

    The first recorded spitfire flight is on April 18th when 3 pilots participated in an operational patrol.
    I presume from that that the air gunners were posted to other squadrons between April 10th and the 18th.

    I have contacted the person currently responsible for entries in the new edition of Wynns book and he has sent the following details re the changes to McAdams entry which I hope satisfies you.

    Regards

    Gerry


    WILLIAM DAVID McADAM

    519802 Sgt Air Gunner British 23 Squadron

    McAdam, of Grangemouth, Stirlingshire, joined the RAF in April 1935, as an Aircrafthand. He later remustered as an Airman u/t Air Gunner. It appears that he served as an Air Gunner with 64 Squadron and, when that squadron exchanged Blenheims for Spitfires, transferred to 23 Squadron. He was with 23 at Collyweston in June 1940.

    McAdam was killed on September 1 1941, as a Flight Sergeant with 23. He was 26 and is buried in Adegem Canadian Cemetery, Belgium.

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    Ged

    Thanks for this. I am not 100% satisfied that AC1 W McAdam in Demon (K8201) on August 7, 1938 is WILLIAM DAVID McADAM

    I don't suppose you have any idea who Gunners Cpl F.E. Smith and AC1 G Shepperd of 64 Sqn 1938 are?


    Cpl F.E. Smith baled out of Demon K8200 at Milton 5 miles from Wittering, Peterborough, Northants on August 7, 1938 (Pilot: Sqn Ldr Francis Victor Beamish AFC)
    AC1 G Shepperd baled out of Demon K8185 near Markfield, Leicester, Leicestershire on August 7, 1938 (Pilot: P/O Ian David Grahame Donald)

    Many Many Thanks

    Paul

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    Hi Paul,
    I only have records for 1940 unfortunately.
    G Sheppard could be the same airman that went to 219 squadron along with Dye and Beveridge.
    The only way to confirm this 100% would be to apply to RAF records for his service record.
    I have nothing on the other airmen you mention.
    Regards

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    Sorry
    That should be G Shepperd that went to 219.
    Gerry

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    Thanks I had pencilled in him as maybe G Shepperd of 219 squadron

    Sgt. George Edward Shepperd #523887 who was killed on 30 September 1940 in 219 Squadron Blenheim L1261 took off from Acklington

    I need to find when he joined 219 Sqn!
    thanks
    Paul

    Paul

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