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    Hi All,

    Does anyone know if it possible to tell when a person joined the RAF from their service number? For example Sergeant number 562414 would you be able to tell the year he joined ? Also would this NCO number be different from his number on enlistment?

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    There are threads on this in various place in this forum

    eg
    http://www.rafcommands.com/forum/showthread.php?13206-RAF-Manpower-and-Deferred-Service

    http://www.rafcommands.com/forum/showthread.php?27-RAF-RAF-OR-Service-Numbers

    http://www.rafcommands.com/forum/showthread.php?12938-Help-with-RAF-Service-Number-Blocks

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    Highgroundsman, Hi,
    There is a list of Enlistment Numbers/Dates/Places on this Forum. From that it is possible to determine, roughly, when/where any bod may have Enlisted. In them days yr Enlistment Number stayed with you, regardless of promotions, unless you were Commissioned. Then you got a new Officers Number.
    Nowadays you seem to get one number on going into the RAF and keep it regardless. I was a Nat Svc Airman in the early 50's. I then became a Civilian. But when I was Commissioned, in the late 60's, I got the same number as I had had as a NSA.
    There are patterns to Enlisted Numbers. Wg Cdr(Ret) Jim Routledge (on this forum) is an authority. There are no patterns (at least, not yet discovered!) to Officer Numbers. There are some small blocks which have the same bods/Branch, etc. Big problem - many have (or are) worked on the numbers game! It could drive you round the bend!!
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    PS Yr man looks as if he Enlisted as an Aircraft Apprentice some time after Jan 1926. His DoB may help in determining just when. See what I mean?
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    Thanks Ross/Peter.

    The man I am trying to trace has been discussed some years back on here, he was a Reconnaissance pilot with 1 PRU and 544 Sq. His name is William Ronald Acott. DFC Thanks to people on here and a bit of digging myself I managed to find that he was Commissioned on 4th April 1940 his number then being 43473.

    There seemed to be quite a bit on him in LG up to 1947 and Errol said on here in 2005 that he was on the retirement list of 1975 as W/C. But nobody seemed to know anything about him prior to his commission other than DoB which is 1st Mar 1912.

    Peter, I found him in Flight archive on 21 February 1935 as an AC1 then again mentioned 29 October 1936 having been awarded a Distinguished Pass with 4 FTS at Abu Sueir, Egypt. But can`t find when he joined the RAF. He hailed from Malling,Kent.

    Does this help track him down to an enlistment date Peter/Ross?

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    Hi,

    I have 562460 Halton Apprentice - enlisted January 1928 - 17 Entry.

    Just noticed, I wonder if he claimed the RAF Long Service Good Conduct Medal as it looks like he completed the minimum 12 years NCO service !

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    That`s great!

    Thanks Mark. Re that Long Service / Good Conduct medal He is listed under that category in Flight of 21st Feb 35, yet this is after only 7 years? Would this just have been a Good Conduct medal?

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    He would have been 16 years (max 17 years) as a Halton Apprentice. A 1928 join date makes sense if he was born in 1912. There is no way he could have earned the RAF LS&GC in 1935. Sure its the same chap?

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    Jonny,

    Thanks for your input. I looked at that entry for 21/2/35 again and see it was AC1 W `A` Acott not AC1 W R Acott, but odd thing is I can`t find a W.A.Acott at that time on LG that was RAF. so it does look just like a typo in Flight for W `R`

    I think I`ll have to disregard this entry though and just go with what I have that he was with 4 FTS in Oct 36. Given the time scale from joining I would imagine he was a Sergeant by then.

    So looks like he joined in March 1928 or soon after as a Halton Apprentice.

    Agreed, re the medal.

    Thanks.
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    The London Gazette contains mainly details of officers after commishion, it is not designed or intended to contain information on non commishioned members unless they have received certain awards, hence there is no reason to expect to find W. A. Acott in the LG around 1935 since he had just spent maybe 10 years as an airman!!

    LG - mainly officer data

    To find a possible W A Acott's look in the AIR78 indexes.
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    Thanks Denis,

    Wasn`t thinking straight this morn, It dawned on me later as an AC1 he wouldn`t be on LG.

    I looked in AIR 78 as you suggested and did find that there was a W A Acott after all Walter Albert Acott 1608477 so at least that tidied up that little query.

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