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    Hello,

    Seeking further details on the crash of RCAF Anson II 8381 on 22 January, 1943. Have what details there are in A-B's Anson File/221.

    l believe AUS420725 P/O (Pilot) John Wright WAUGH RAAF, was possibly involved (Moncton is mentioned).

    P/O Waugh RAAF, later moved on to No.467 Sqn RAAF, serving a full operational tour (picking up a DFC). He was involved in a nasty incident on 11/12-5-1944 when his Lancaster (DV277), was badly damaged in combat and the bomb load could not be released. On return to the UK, his crew baled out over Coleby, Lincs., leaving Waugh and his Flight Engineer to land the fully-laden aircraft at base (Waddington).

    Thanks,

    Col.
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    Col,

    Probably nothing given the distance between Moncton and Hagersville, Ontario and the variance in date of one day.

    RCAF Casualty List #481, dated 25 January, 1943 has LAC R/148397 Gordon Bates Taylor, killed on active service in Canada. Next of kin, mother, Mrs Sadie Schwebel, Schenectady, NY.

    In brackets underneath is "LAC Taylor was killed in a plane crash in Hagersville, Ontario Jan 21"

    Regards,

    Dave

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    Ancestry.com various files have Taylors death 1 mile south of aerodrome 16 SFTS.
    Dennis Burke
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    Foreign Aircrew and Aircraft Ireland 1939-1945
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    Was looking for that, Dennis. Thanks. No. 16 SFTS did use the Anson.
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    Thanks for your help, Gents.

    l'll wait and see what Bill Walker and company have to say on this.

    Taylor probably killed on 21-1-1943 when No.16 SFTS Anson 7342 crashed turning to land at night in snow and mist, half-a-mile SW of Hagersville, Ontario.

    Col.
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    G'day Col

    I extracted the following from the accident record card.

    The aircraft was an Avro Anson Mk. II, s/n 7342. It was assigned to No. 16 Service Flying Training School at Hagersville, Ontario.

    The accident occurred on the 21st of January, 1943 at 06:30 hours. The Pupil Pilot and sole occupant onboard, was R148397 L.A.C. G. B. Taylor. He was carrying out authorized night circuits and landings when he lost control during a snow storm and crashed one mile south-west of the main aerodrome. Taylor was killed in the crash. It was suggested that he may have lost equilibrium.

    Incidentally, No. 16 S.F.T.S. used both the Anson and Harvard.

    Cheers...Chris
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    G'day Col

    Waugh was involved in a mid-air collision with an Anson (s/n 8381) while flying a Harvard (s/n 3774) on the 21st of October, 1942. Both aircraft were from No. 8 Service Flying Training School at Moncton, New Brunswick.

    Would you like me to post all the details?

    Cheers...Chris

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    Hello Chris,

    The details on what happened to P/O Waugh RAAF, are much appreciated. Full details of the event would be even better!

    Thanks for taking the time to research both incidents.

    Regards,

    Col.

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    G'day Col

    I took the following off the accident record cards.

    Cheers...Chris

    Both aircraft were carrying out Sequence 19. The mid-air collision took place at 15:00 hours on the 21st of October, 1942 four miles north of Moncton, New Brunswick. As I mentioned,, both aircraft were from No. 8 Service Flying Training School at Moncton.

    Harvard Mk. II s/n 3774
    Pilot – J11350 Pilot Officer F. M. Lynch – Slightly Injured\after parachuting from the aircraft
    Pupil Pilot – 420725 LAC J. M. Waugh – Seriously Injured after parachuting from the aircraft

    Anson Mk. II s/n 8381
    Pilot – R80516 W.O.2 I. C. Grierson – Killed
    Pupil Pilot – R139317 LAC R. E. Langdon – Killed
    Passenger – R60912 Cpl. W. Schultz – Killed

    The Investigating Officer's Report dated the 23rd of October was sumitted by Flight Lieutenant L.C. Ledyard from No. 3 Training Command

    Conclusion of the A.I.B.
    “Mid-air collision. Harvard and Anson aircraft collided mid-air. On authorized flights, due to proper lookout on part of pilots, particularly pilot of the Anson.”

    Recommendations
    “Strict disciplinary action to be taken against personnel not wearing parachute harness and fastening safety belts, in compliance with regulations.”

    No disciplinary action was taken over this accident.

    Just a bit of trivia for you. The two Jacobs L6MB engines from the Anson were serial numbers (Port) 15625 and (Starboard) 15639. The serial number for the Pratt & Whitney S3H1 was 126

    Cheers...Chris

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    Dakota,

    The information you have supplied on this incident is extremely useful. l have an unsourced note in my file on Waugh RAAF, that he had baled out of an aircraft, no date, no location. Waugh RAAF, is not listed as a member of the Caterpillar Club, nor the GQ Club. Your information confirms that he did indeed bale-out of an aircraft.

    Unfortunately, John Waugh DFC, passed away on 31st July, 1991, aged 77.

    Your help most appreciated. Thanks Mate

    Regards,

    Col.
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