430925 Unaccounted Airmen -25-09-1943

**Alex Smart** · 21st July 2013, 22:11

Hope this is OK ?

Sgt. Alec Edward CARTER RAFVR - 1390572 - le Petit Lac, Algeria.
Sgt(Pilot). Leslie COLLIS RAFVR - 1339327 - Ringwood, Hampshire.
AC1c. Thomas Albert EDWARDS RAFVR - 1461302 - El - Alia, Algeria.
Sgt (WoP/Ag). Charles Alfred FARRELL RAFVR - 1390989 - St. Pancras, Middlesex.
Sgt. William David GIBBY RAFVR - 1079181 - Caerphilly ( Penyrheol) Glamorganshire.
Sgt (Pilot). William Robert Radcliffe JENKINS RAF - 553417 - Medjez-el-Bab, Tunisia.
LAC. Donald MEREDITH RAFVR - 1618277 - Kidderminster, Worcestershire.
Sgt(A/Gnr). Granville MEYRICK RAFVR -1353345 - Cadoxton-Juxta-Neath, (SS Cattwg and Illtyd) Glamorganshire.
Flg/Off. Henry Smith NEWSOME RAFVR 109443 - Karachi, Pakistan.
Sgt(WoP/Ag). Walter George PROSSER RAFVR - 1313141 - le Petit Lac, Algeria.
AC2c Charles RYAN RAFVR - 1900320 - Chester (Blacon), Cheshire.
P/O(Pilot). Norman Charles Arthur SIMMS RAFVR -152100 - Bungay, Suffolk.
Sgt(WoP/Ag). Eric Shirley SMART RAFVR -1322742 - Oxford (Botley) Oxfordshire.
Sgt(AirBomb). Ronald Reginald TOWNSEND RAFVR - 1577926 - Broadheath (Christ Church) Worcestershire.
Flg/Off. Bazil Thomas VARDY RAFVR - 126847 - Kroonstad, South Africa.
Sgt(A/Gnr). Joseph WHITAKER RAFVR - 1030019 - Baildon (Charles Town) Yorkshire.
Sgt(WoP/Ag). Robert WHITING RAFVR - 1334969 - le Petit Lac, Algeria.
Sgt(Pilot). Harold Joseph WOLFF RAFVR -1531814 - Bradford (North Bierley), Yorkshire.
Sgt(Pilot). Alan George William WRIGHT RAFVR - 1336888 - le Petit Lac, Algeria.

Alex

**COL BRUGGY** · 21st July 2013, 23:54

Hello,

No! Not OK.

When using dates in titling, and elsewhere, keep them exactly as Henk used them. ie 25-9-1943 - no additional zeroes , 09, etc.

You need to keep the losses in their rough geographical area, and as separate items. ie, Algeria and Tunisia - Middle East, and Pakistan - Far East. Other locations, as they are usually one-offs, are generally treated as separate items also, otherwise the listing will become unwieldy.

Col.

**dennis_burke** · 21st July 2013, 23:54

The following are all in Lutterworth district, I'll suspect a large OTU bomber or coastal crash.
Farrell*Charles A 20
Gibby*William*23
Meyrick*Granville*22
SMART*Eric S 24
Wolff*Harold J*22
WHITAKER*Joseph*23
Townsend*Ronald R*26

From googling Wellington JA448

If its in Chorley, good and well I dont own a copy. We can edit delete the names if they are contained therein.

**COL BRUGGY** · 22nd July 2013, 00:05

Dennis,

The seven airmen named by you, where all members of No.29 OTU, and were killed in the crash of Wellington X JA448 on 25-9-1943 - Chorley/BCL7/251.

Col.

**angelsonefive** · 22nd July 2013, 00:21

A.E. Carter, W.G. Prosser, R. Whiting, and A.G.W. Wright all killed when Wellington Mk XII MP637 of 3 FTU flew into high ground while in cloud near Saka, Morocco.

**Alex Smart** · 22nd July 2013, 00:23

Hello Col,
Re your post 2, If I had separated them would'nt that bring about several threads with the same date. Did Henk do that ?

Sorry I missed volume 7, yes it is Wellington X JA448, page 251.

Thanks angelsonfive for the Mk XII of 3 FTU.

F/O. Francis Joseph Staff Clayden was a POW and is recorded in "Unsung Heroes of the Royal Air Force" on page 102.
F/O. Cecil Ernest Head was a POW and is recorded in "Unsung Heroes of the Royal Air Force" on page 144.
Cpl. Albert Reginald Whymark was a POW and is recorded in "Unsung Heroes of the Royal Air Force" on page 244.
My original list is now reduced to eight names.

AC1c. Thomas Albert EDWARDS RAFVR - 1461302 - El - Alia, Algeria.
Sgt (Pilot). William Robert Radcliffe JENKINS RAF - 553417 - Medjez-el-Bab, Tunisia.
Flg/Off. Henry Smith NEWSOME RAFVR 109443 - Karachi, Pakistan.
Flg/Off. Bazil Thomas VARDY RAFVR - 126847 - Kroonstad, South Africa.

Sgt(Pilot). Leslie COLLIS RAFVR - 1339327 - Ringwood, Hampshire.
LAC. Donald MEREDITH RAFVR - 1618277 - Kidderminster, Worcestershire.
AC2c Charles RYAN RAFVR - 1900320 - Chester (Blacon), Cheshire.
P/O(Pilot). Norman Charles Arthur SIMMS RAFVR -152100 - Bungay, Suffolk.

Alex

**COL BRUGGY** · 22nd July 2013, 01:07

Alex,

Yes it does involve separate items - just as Henk did it. If you want to continue Henk's work, try and forget your own personal whims and fancies. Henk had a set, and established way of doing things. The only substantial addition to his work, was the introduction (at Dennis' behest), of a date system for indexing purposes. Alter them if you wish, but why change something that has stood the test of time.

Understand, none of this is an implied criticism of you personally. More power to your arm for giving it a go. Others seem reluctant to do so.

Col.

**dennis_burke** · 22nd July 2013, 01:37

Col/Alex
We gave up the separet geographic postings during Henks time, check the index, the names need only be grouped within the initial posting.

**Alex Smart** · 22nd July 2013, 02:40

Col ,

Re: Personal Whims and Fancies ?

My only intension was to help revive Henk's threads.

I think I did that without insulting anyone.

Alex

**COL BRUGGY** · 22nd July 2013, 02:41

Dennis,

Separate items - understand.

http://www.rafcommands.com/forum/showthread.php?13166-430923-Unaccounted-airmen-23-9-1943

Alex, lf you do it your way, it will be your work, not Henk's. You haven't offended or insulted anyone, least of all me.

Col.