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    Another aircraft with conflicting records, hoping someone has some insight. FA187 was loaned briefly to the RCAF in 1942, for trials at Suffield, then returned to Ferry Command in North America. Probably used in Canada smoke laying or chemical spraying at Suffield. Baugher's page has it then lost in action with the RAF in April 1943. A US based reader tells me he has reports of this aircraft contuning with "special trails" in the US and the Canal Zone in 1943 to at least January 1944.
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    Bill,

    l have the following incomplete report:

    14-4-1943
    No.21 Sqn SAAF
    Baltimore IIIA FA187

    Abandoned out of fuel returning from raid west of Zarat, Tunisia.

    102452 Lt (Obs.) John Philip CARLISLE SAAF +

    Buried Sfax War Cemetery.

    Other crew ?

    See:
    85 Years of the South African Air Force 1920-2005.
    Brent,Winston.
    Nelspruit:Freeworld Publications,2005.
    pp.281 & 283.

    Col.
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    Hi Col,

    No.21 SAAF ORB is on free down load from the TNA AIR 54/64.

    It describes in detail in the narrative the loss of Lt Carlisle and how he was the only casualty when the aircraft was abandoned.

    Looking at the Appendix AIR 54/65 it seems that it was A/c 167.
    Lt E G Webber
    F/Sgt V Waldek
    F/Sgt M Schumann

    Yet the F1180 raised lists serial as FA 187

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    Thanks all. Looks like there may have been some confusion about the aircraft on trials in the US. Maybe deliberate confusion? Suffield has long been known to be a centre for chemical warfare research in Canada, my US contact believes his FA187 was on secret trials in Panama in early 1944.

    Does anyone know if the RAF Movement Card for FA187 reports the loan to the RCAF in 1942?

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    Hello,

    Ross, FA167 is listed as being on the strength of No.21 Sqn SAAF, and struck off charge on 31 May 1945.

    l had the names of the other three crew, didn't get a chance to pop them in before your reply - can't see the sense in doing it now! Identical to the three named by you.

    Thanks for the reminder about the SAAF material, must get on to it.

    Col.
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    Yup,

    Looks like typo in the appendix 167 for 187 (or my eyes on a poor microfilm copy)

    FA187 lost Cat E night 13/14th April 1943 with No.21 SAAF.

    So possible for 1942/Early 1943 for Bill but AM 78 needed for confirmation but not flying into 1944 as per his correspondent.

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