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    Hi Folks.
    I have recently come into possesion of a photograph,taken a second or so before a Mosquito slammed into a Lancaster. This happened on third of November 1949. My informant says the Lanc was from 149 Sqn out of Stradishall, but the little I can find out says 148 Sqn. He also tells me the wreckage fell in the Thetford Forest battle area, with 7 x Lanc crew, 2 x 3 Grp observers and the pilot of the Mosquito (jammed canopy?) as fatalities. He tells me the Mosquito took the nose off the Lanc.
    Does anyone know details of this incident and names,etc?
    Any help appreciated :)

    Alan F

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    Hello,

    On 3-11-1949, No.29 Sqn Mosquito NF.36 RL116, collided in mid-air with No.148 Sqn Lancaster I TW908 8m S of Selsey Bill, Sussex, during a Bullseye Exercise. One killed and one missing from Mosquito, seven missing from Lancaster.

    See:
    De Havilland Mosquito Crash Log.
    Smith David J (comp.).
    Earl Shilton:Midland Counties Publications,1980 (2nd. rev. ed.).
    p.43

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    Hi Alan,

    Wikipedia says:

    On 3 November 1949 a Avro Lancaster of No. 148 Squadron RAF collides south of Selsey Bill, Sussex with a No. 29 Squadron RAF de Havilland Mosquito during a night interception exercise.

    So there is also unit of the Mosquito.

    May I ask you how looks the photo if there is stated it was the night training flight?

    Pavel
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    There are two longish reports about the accident in The Times, Alan, the second includes the names of all the casualties. The reports are in the editions for the 4th and 5th November.

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    Hello,

    For those without access to The Times, here are the crews:

    Lancaster I TW908:

    176665 F/O (Pilot) Jack OLDHAM RAF
    3065235 Nav III Donald McUsbie McCALL RAF
    1652959 Eng II Lyndon Harold STEPHENS RAF
    952163 Sig I Eric George CLARKE RAF
    1595799 Gnr IIB Sydney Arthur MASON RAF
    3050674 Gnr. IIB Cyril James CHAPMAN RAF
    3021210 Nav II William MELDRUM RAF

    All Missing

    Mosquito NF.36 RL116:

    58143 F/O (Pilot) Alfred Lawrence MILLER RAF - Body recovered by HMS "Romola". Buried Cheltenham Corporation Cemetery, Cheltenham, Gloucestershire.
    194442 F/L (Nav.) Euan Campbell DALGETY RAF - Missing

    The Times. Saturday. November 5, 1949. p.2 and...

    http://www.veterans-uk.info/afm2/index.php

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    Could I suggest anyone living in the UK joins their local library. It costs nothing and one doesn't have to use it per se, but the library card number usually allows free access to The Times Digital Archive - and the answers to many of the requests posted on this forum may be found therein.

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    Many thanks Gentlemen, some excellent stuff there. And I will join the Library - a very useful tip.

    This photograph arrived without any information on it except: ' ...... stationed at Stradishall.. took off on X-country formation flying with air defense test during return trip. ... he (Mossie) went through the nose of the Lanc in front..... seven crew killed and two members of 3 Grp observing ..... also Pilot of Mossie. Both aircraft crashed at Thetford Forest Battle Area. ......'

    I took the date as it was the only Lanc/Mossie mid-air I could find!

    Picture looks like Dusk but far away and indistinct. It looks like an original print. Could be a case of confusion over the years?

    Thanks for the comments!

    Alan F

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    Hello,

    This is possibly the incident you are looking for:

    http://www.rafcommands.com/forum/showthread.php?10471-Aircrash-11th-November-1947-Hornet-and-Lancaster-Lincoln

    Col.

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    Further to Col's post, The Times carried a report of this accident the following day, although no names were given. As well as the pilot managing to use his parachute (as described in the thread given by Col) witnesses also saw a second man falling from the collision although, sadly, his parachute failed to open.

    Brian
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    Many thanks to the guys who replied. It seems Col Bruggy has it nailed as the 1947 Lanc/Hornet collision.

    Alan F

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