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    Default 431005 - Unaccounted Airmen - 5-10-1943

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    BROMWICH, Emery Esmy - Cpl - 847310 - RAF(AuxAF) - City of London Cemetery & Crematorium, Essex.
    FENNELL, Samuel - AC1c - 1864865 - RAFVR - Beverley (St. Mary) Yorkshire.
    FROST, Robert Albert Edward - LAC - 1471971 - RAFVR - Chiswick New Cemetery, Middlesex.
    MUMFORD, Vernon Ashley - P/O - 42019 - RAF - Runnymede Memorial, Surrey.
    WITCHER, Frank Henry - Sgt - 1645395 - RAFVR - Winchester (Magdalen Hill) Hampshire.

    CANADA
    MACARTHUR, Alexander - LAC - 1553554 - RAFVR - Rivers Cemetery, Manitoba.
    SMITH, Royston Graham George - LAC - 1602873 - RAFVR - Rivers Cemetery, Manitoba.
    Could these men be connected with the deaths of Cpl ALEXANDER, George Langstaff RCAF(35 SFTS) and Cpl WELSH, Charles Wilbert RCAF ?

    INDIA
    HALL, Raymond Arthur - AC2c - 1622519 - RAFVR - Kirkee, India.
    WOOSNAM, Frank - LAC - 625170 - RAF - Delhi, India.

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    Hello,

    Re: CANADA - MacARTHUR and SMITH.

    l believe they were involved in the following incident:

    5-10-1943
    No.1 Central Navigation School, Rivers, Manitoba.

    Anson 6642 (ex-W2309), collided in circuit with (Anson) DG872 (also of 1 CNS).

    I don't have full access to my files at the moment, maybe others can add a bit more detail.

    Col.

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    Hello Col,

    Looked in Anson File but no names given.
    Both in collision . Any ideas as to why one a/c had a Canadian number while the other had the RAF one still ?
    Perhaps two men in each aircraft only ?

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    Alex,

    l've just had a whack on the side of the head by someone!

    Tues 5/Wed 6 Oct 1943.
    CANADA.
    Navigation exercise
    1 Central Navigation School, RCAF (Rivers, Manitoba - 2 Training Command)

    Anson I DG872 - piloted by Sgt L E Plate, RCAF, and when at 500 feet on final approach with a failed engine collided with another of the School's Anson Is (6642) at 2340. Both machines crashed a mile north of the airfield, killing the five and four crew in each, respectively. The RNZAF airman is buried at Rivers, as are the two RAF airmen who died in 6642.

    Wireless Op: NZ426881 Sgt Alfred Laurence CAPON, RNZAF - Age 20.
    The CWGC register misspells Capon's middle name as Lawrence.

    See:
    For Your Tomorrow:A Record of New Zealanders who have Died while Serving with the RNZAF and Allied Air Services since 1915. Volume Two: Fates 1943-1998.
    Martyn,Errol W..
    Christchurch:Volplane Press,1999.
    p.150.

    Col.
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    Hello Col,
    Re CAPON,

    This from just accross the sea from you :)

    http://muse.aucklandmuseum.com/databases/Cenotaph/21915.detail?Ordinal=1&c_surname_search=capon&c_wa rconflict_search=%22world+war+ii,+1939-1945%22

    CWGC website has these 11 names for the 5th Oct 43.
    ~Capon, RNZAF
    Nixon RCAF
    ~Welsh RCAF
    ~Plate RCAF
    Petrie RCAF
    Cummer RCAF
    Earl RCAF
    ~Alexander RCAF
    Guay RCAF
    ~ Smith RAFVR
    ~MacArthur RAFVR

    Any idea as to the three outstanding ?

    Alex
    Last edited by Alex Smart; 10th August 2013 at 04:30. Reason: addition info

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    Woosnam and Hall bith published in different magazines as DoAS.

    Bromwich, Fennel, Frost and Witcher also have DOAS listings.

    Mumford died in England, at Brompton Rd Hospital, Fulham Rd, London.

    From probate calender on ancestry.com.
    A newspaper cutting from his family on ancestry.com say death was from wounds.

    He is on Panel 289 of the memorial, this is I believe one of the high numbered ones associated with burials in the UK that CWGC could not identify after the war.

    The database, Canada, War Graves Registers (Circumstances of Casualty), 1914-1948 on ancestry.com confirms MacArthur as killed in a two a/c collision. There is a file for all the men except Smith. Might need to look harder.

    G L Alexander RCAF died from wounds received in September in an altercation in town with an RAF airman. CWGC register contains details of inquest.
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    MUMFORD:

    http://www.alleyns.org.uk/alleyn/Alumni/General/ww2_biogs_full_merged_for_web.pdf
    there is written:

    Other information: ‘Died fm injuries received on active service, Oct 1943'
    Source: Alleyn’s School World War II casualtie, Edward Alleyn Magazine

    But it seems to me a little bit strange that in this case he has not known grave?

    Pavel
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    It only means the CWGC were unable to account for his family grave after the war. Family will have buried him and did not stay in contact with CWGC.
    Dennis Burke
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    Thanks for explanation Dennis!
    A man is still learning:)

    Pavel
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    Following registered: -
    BROMWICH, Emery Esmy - Cpl - Newcastle upon Tyne
    FENNELL, Samuel - AC1 - Newmarket
    FROST, Robert Albert Edward - LAC - Westminster
    MUMFORD, Vernon Ashley - P/O - Kensington
    WITCHER, Frank Henry - Sgt - Aldershot

    I will be away on holiday for the next week.

    Malcolm

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