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    Default Blenheim I L8673 18 Oct 1939 Confirmation Crew Details Bomber Losses Middle East Vol1

    Bomber Losses Middle East Vol 1 has the following for Blenheim I L8673 18 Oct 1939


    55 Sqn Took of Ismailia/Moascar for night-flying training, The hydraulics failed with the undercarriage half retracted, and as the pilot was inexperienced on the type, the crew were ordered to abandon the aircaft, which crashed in the desert N of Ismailia

    Similar details are in Warners Blenheim

    P/O R H Nicholson
    LAC C H Bartram
    AC1 T R Sherr <-- Can't find on Air 78 Maybe R Cherry
    AC1 J Rown <- Can't find on Air 78 maybe J Brown?

    However, while I have identified fullly Nicholson and Bartram I can't ID the last 2 crew can anyone help? Service numbers would help and the ORB does not contain the details

    I suppose Rown could also be Rowe???


    Many thanks

    Paul
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    Hallo Paul,

    Tricky one ! I do not have the ORB for 55 Squadron and cannot find anything that might help. The first two were aircrew but one or both of the ACs must have been ground crew.

    Have you tried the Appendices for the unit ? These sometimes contain lists of personnel, DROs, movement orders, etc. Looking at the TNA website there are two Appendices for 55 Squadron covering the 1939-1941 period.
    AIR 27 / 521 1916 to 30 Nov. 1940. 233 pages.
    AIR 27 / 522 1 May 1941 to 31 Dec. 1941. 312 pages.
    Using the preview facility on the page for AIR 27 / 521 beginning at page 66 there appears to be a squadron roll but I cannot be sure. Might be worth investing 3.36 but 'caveat emptor !'.

    Hope this helps,

    Martin.

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    Martin

    Downloaded Appendices for 55 Sqn and I now know that AT R Sherr is definitely AC1 Cherry - there is a AC Cherry W/T later in the Appendices for L4818 on 12/12/1939

    I believe him to be 'R Cherry' but his serial number and name is unknown


    for completeness rest of crew were

    P/O Ralph Holden Nicolson #40938

    LAC Charles Herbert Bartram #527004

    Can't find J Rown but I think he is J Brown

    BTW page 66 is a squadron roll for WW1 including roll of honour


    Paul
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    Hi Paul,

    Some progress but I had hoped the Appendices might give fuller information. I use them a lot for the EAGLES OVER EUROPE project and find they are very much 'hit or miss'. Sometimes they are a treasure trove, other times - a waste of money !
    I assume from your post that no service numbers were included ?

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    Success

    Thanks to David Gunby who put me in touch with Pel Temple, who supplied the info he used to comprise day bomber losses for Middle East Volume 1. Pel confirmed his source as AHB, but importantly supplied the Service Numbers used

    40938 Nicolson, Ralph Holden. Pilot. MiD, Killed later in the war in 55 Sqn RAF, Blenheim
    V5514
    527004 LAC Bartram, Charles Herbert, Obs, Later Killed in Blenheim, T1879.
    532904 AC1 J Rown, AG.
    538134 AC1 T.R. Sherr. WOp/AG.

    Searching Air 78 for 532904 AC1 J Rown, (who I believed to be actually "J Brown") brought up AC1 James Brown 532904

    Searching Air 78 for 538134 AC1 T.R. Sherr (who I believed to be actually Cherry) brought up "Philip Douglas Cherry" 538034 (which is near enough for me especially as you find out he got DFM while with No. 55 Squadron 22nd August, 1941 and no 'R' Cherry came close to 538134 and a written P may be look like an R in some handwriting!

    QED

    BTW My "J Brown" and "R" Cherry came from an Irvin parachute list so I was happy with that
    Last edited by paulmcmillan; 19th August 2013 at 09:59.

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