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    Hello all,
    I am out of my depth on this nautical question. On 22-7-41 9 US volunteer pilots embarked from Montreal for Liverpool. They were Hugh Brown, Don McLeod, Forrest Cox, James Peck, Lewis Louden, Kenneth Holder, James Lynch, James Coxetter and Robert Sprague.
    They docked at Liverpool on 14-8-41.
    Does anyone have the name of the vessel and the convoy number please.
    Many thanks,
    Roy

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    Your in a pile of luck Roy,

    the SS Tilapa docked on that date with all those chaps on board, from the ancestry.com database

    UK, Incoming Passenger Lists, 1878-1960
    its just a list of their names, all bound for the Air Ministry, HQ London, and all occupations listed as Air Pilots. travelleing 1st class. Email me if you want a copy of the image.

    I'd imagine it was Convoy HX141
    http://www.warsailors.com/convoys/hx141.html

    Note the Tilapa has only 11 pax on board which matches with the ancestry.com database
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    LL,

    From convoy.web.

    SS "Tilapa"

    Departed Montreal Tuesday July 22, 1941 to Sydney CB, July 25, 1941.
    (Independent)

    Departed Sydney CB, July 8, 1941 (Convoy HX. 141 Halifax-Liverpool).

    Arrived Liverpool August 11, 1941.

    Col.

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    I'm not trying to hijack this thread!
    HX 141 was a 'fast' convoy (the term maybe a misnomer!!). But I note that HX 141 was provided with 4 x CAM ships. So this is 4 x Hurricanes, 4 x Pilots, and 4 x assorted support personnel. Mid-41 was very near the start of the CAM ships saga. Was this number usual? There were 60-odd ships in HX 141. That works out at (roughly) 1 x CAM ship for every 15 ships in the convoy. Was this normal? And I assume that any met the Pilots may have had/received emanated strictly from the seats of various maritime pants? - and years of sailing experience!
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    Hello again,
    Sincere thanks to Dennis, Col and Peter. This was exactly what I was after. Carry on hijacking.
    Roy

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    Peter,

    I doubt very much the CAM pilots received any met briefing as they did not patrol. CAM ships were Merchant Navy ships equipped with a catapult to launch the single Hurricane carried. The RAF pilots were all volunteers, members of the Merchant Ship Fighter Unit, and they signed articles as civilian crew members. They were launched only when enemy aircraft were seen - quite simply met wasn't needed.

    See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CAM_ship. There's also a book, "The Hurricats" by Ralph Barker (1978), a number of copies of which are available on Amazon.

    Brian
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