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    Please can anybody - probably in Canada - help solve the following queries for an update I am doing for a previously published work.

    On 25 Aug 46 a Lancaster of 35 Sqn struck and killed four civilians at Gander. I believe they were three men and one female and they may have been standing in an area over which the aircraft would normally pass over, on its final approach. What were their names please.

    On 11 Dec 49, a Mitchell with an RAF serial number HD341, crashed 7 miles south east of Trenton. One casualty was an RAF officer but F/Ls L V Piper and Beal were RCAF and a civilian, Mr Richardson, was of unknown status. Please can somebody tell me their full names and, if possible, age at death.

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    Colin, HD341 had been on the RCAF books since March 1944, and was with the Aircraft Armament School at Trenton when it crashed. I'm hoping Dakota has more info on crew names.

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    Hi Colin,

    The Toronto Star has a report on the Mitchell crash, but no mention of your F/Ls or a civilian.

    Here is the text of the lead from the article:

    Blast kills 4
    Pilot avoided
    Hitting village

    Trenton, Dec. 12 - An RCAF Mitchell bomber, homeward-bound from a weather testing flight, exploded in mid-air and plummeted to earth in a mass of flames Sunday, killing its crew of four.

    Dead are: Sqdn Leader Charles Webber, DFC, 37, commanding officer of the training school, and pilot of the twin-engined trainer; FO Leo Pepin, 25, of Ottawa, co-pilot; LAC Allan MacIntosh, 29, of Dunvegan, areo engineer; and LAC William Nesom, 24, of Wetaskiwin, Alta.

    One witness, Burford Peck, a Carrying Place farmer, said he thought the pilot deliberately avoided crashing the aircraft into the village. Peck said the plane was heading directly for the airport, three miles away. "As it approached the village, it suddenly veered off, taking a wide curve away from it.

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    Hi again Colin,

    The Star also has a short write-up on the Gander crash. Here are the victims names:

    Raymond Parons, Stanley Rideout and Cyril Brazil of St. John's and Miss Isola Clarke of Carbonear. The injured man is W. McDonald of St. Mary's. All were employees of the airport.
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    G'day Chaps

    The aircraft was a Mitchell Mk. II, s/n HD341 from No. 1 Air Armament School located at R.C.A.F. Station Trenton, Ontario. The aircraft crashed 3 miles south-east of Trenton on the 11th of December 1949 when the port engine caught fire which spread to the fuselage while on a meteorological flight. The aircraft was destroyed.

    Acting Squadron Leader Denis Charles Webber.
    It's looking like this might be the Royal Air Force chap based on no record of him in the R.C.A.F. nor receiving the DFC while with the R.C.A.F.

    30311 Flying Officer Leo Vincent Pepin
    He was born on the 25th of June, 1924 in San Jose, California. He enlisted in the R.C.A.F. on the 17th of November, 1942 in Ottawa, Ontario

    13388 LAC William Gannet Nesom.
    He was born in Bishopton, Durham, England on the 16th of November, 1925. His family lived in St. Albert, Alberta which is just north of the Alberta capital of Edmonton. Nesom enlisted in the R.C.A.F. in Edmonton, Alberta on the 19th of January, 1944.

    23796 LAC Albert Vincent McIntosh (note spelling of last name).
    He was born on 14th of November, 1920 in Dunvegan, Ontario. McIntosh enlisted in the R.C.A.F. on the 24th of March, 1942 in Hamilton, Ontario.

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    Thanks for this Chris and David. Carrying Place is about 5 miles south-WEST of Trenton aerodrome (I have relatives living near there). Maybe the newspapers got a little confused?

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    Webber was the RAF chap. He was on an exchange posting since February. He served as an anti-submarine pilot during the war. So perhaps Ross can help with finding his Coastal Command squadron?
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    Hello,

    WEBBER, Denis Charles Leslie. FO. (116778) 120 Sqn.
    London Gazette;9/11/1943: p.4918.

    This officer captained an aircraft which participated in an attack on a U-boat* recently. In spite of fierce fire from the U-boat's guns, Flying Officer Webber pressed home his attack and, at the third attempt, straddled the vessel with his depth charges. the submarine blew up, leaving survivors in the water. Flying Officer Webber displayed skill, courage and resolution of a high order.

    Carter DFC/II/M-Z/1773.

    * Webber shared in the destruction (with No.86 Sqn.), of U-643 on 8 October, 1943.

    See: Search, Find and Kill/Franks. pp.23-25.

    See also: http://www.veterans-uk.info/afm2/roll-of-honour.php?SerialNo=R987

    Webber was aged 27 at the time of his death, not 37 years-of-age.

    Re the Gander Lancaster incident. There is also the following report, but be warned, it is full of errors/typos:

    http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~cannf/ct_news_lancasterbomb.htm

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    A query about the Mitchell that crashed on 11 Dec 1949 (HD341). Post 3 records it was on a 'weather testing flight' and post 5 a 'meteorological flight'. Given that the aircraft was on the strength of No. 1 Air Armament School, I suspect that this was simply a routine weather check flight of the type flown by many units prior to a day's operations, not a met reconnaissance sortie of the type beloved by forecasters. Purely from curiosity are there any other details about the sortie - was 'meteorological flight' actually quoted in the accident report, and what time did the accident happen?

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    My grateful thanks for the contributions above - delivered, as usually happens on this site, with speed and supplementary information.

    Very much appreciated.

    Colin Cummings

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