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    A little extra information on the crash of Anson 8262 (LAC Kidd):

    With No. 34 Service Flying Training School at Medicine Hat, Alberta when it crashed on 23 March 1943. Aircraft had made a precautionary landing due to fumes in the cockpit, then taken off at 15:10 and was low flying over the town of Rose Lynn, Alberta when it struck a building, damaging elevators. Destroyed by post impact fire, 4 fatalities.

    Concerning the Oxford collision, V3312 survived, with no damage reported on that date. AS207 was destroyed.

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    Hi Bill

    Thanks for the details of 8262.

    Malcolm

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    Hi, the Beverley newspaper for the week after F/Lt Gale's death states that he had survived a flying accident on Whitsuntide Monday and that he had sustained serious burns to his face and hands. The flying accident he survived saw the death of nine others and two others + him sustained serious injuries (making 12 in total). F/Lt Gale had undergone a number of operations on his injuries in the weeks and months since the accident but died in the course of an operation on 23rd November 1943, the operation was apparently to have been the last he was to have had. He was in Halton hospital at the time of his death.

    Henks old posts may well list the aircraft crash he had initially survived. Not sure on the exact date.

    best regards Rich

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    Would whitsuntide have been june 12-14.?

    I will check the flight casualty lists for him being injured. The others killed would be in Koas or KIA lists depending on whether he was wounded in action or on active service.

    On phone so not easy to search.
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    http://www.flightglobal.com/pdfarchi...search=monahan

    above link show him injured on active service. Confirmed with aeroplane magazine which printed serial numbers. No DFM award at that time.
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    SO, finally got to my laptop!

    The casualty list published Sep 3rd 1942 in Flight magazine, and correlated with Aeroplane magazine serial numbers lists:

    WOUNDED OR INJURED ON ACTIVE SERVICE —
    L.A/C. E. Dingley 1536867 ;
    Sgt. L. Durham 655769 ;
    F/O. J. J. Gale 45149;
    A/C.2 P M. Gillett 1245714 ;
    Sgt. J . E. Kent 1391657 ;
    P/O. A. O. Monahan 121324 ;
    Sgt. R. A. Morgan 531906 ;
    Cpl. J . R. S. Reid 972435;
    A/C.l A. Robertson 1529301 ;
    Sgt. H. B. Wilson 974488.

    The same list has a very long Killed on active service list:
    KILLED ON ACTIVE SERVICE—
    Sgt. J. Anderson;
    Sgt, G C. Edwards: probably 777621 26 May, with 153 Sqn
    Sgt. I. McN. Ferguson; ??
    Sgt. L. F. Fisher; 778784 7th May - No unit listed
    Fit. Sgt. J. L. Gibby; 812346 25 May, no unit
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>A/C.2 F. S. Goodwin; 1499120 14th April, no unit
    Sgt. A. G. Graham; 1126949 13th May, no unit
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Sgt. J . E. Gurney; 527385 14th April, no unit
    P/O, J. L. Haggerty; 121296 29th Jun http://www.rafcommands.com/forum/sho...rmen-29-6-1942
    L.A/C. M. Hislop; 1319809 29th Jun
    Sgt. J. E. Houzh;
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Sgt. A. T. Howell; 1380271 14th April,
    Sgt. L. R. Hulme; died overseas
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>F/O. F J Joshua; 87041 14th April
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>A/CM C. G. C. Keighley; 1333962 14th April
    8gt. G. Kenworthy; 535539 30th Jun
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>A/C.l T. Mahady; 1371443 14th April
    Fit. Set. W. Mair; 971422 26th April 264 Sqn
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Sgt G. Marks; 1169564 14th April
    Sgt. H. F. Neary; 798535 28th Apr 59 Sqn
    A/C.l J. R. Needham; 1498840 30th jun
    Sgt. B Nicholls;
    Sgt. R. O'Keefe;
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Sgt. E. J. Spencer; 903905 14th April
    Sgt. H. Swales
    Sgt. A. Taylor;
    Sgt. C. R. Whitworth;
    Sgt. W. R. Willis;
    Fit. Sgt. G. H. Wilsher.

    8 names from 14th April and checking them on Freebmd.org.uk gives Wetherby district, pages 262 to 265.
    And a ninth names David R Cox aged 23

    matching David R Cox RCAF R/65319

    But they were all on Halifax L9576 and all were killed on that aircraft? I give up!!
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    Whit Monday was 14 June in 1943 but I can't find any matching casualties.

    However there was a Sunderland incident on 29 May when T9114 of No 461 Sqn force landed on Angle airfield, I have two probable for that but not nine.

    Malcolm

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    Malcolm,

    There were no injuries to the skeleton crew that crash-landed No.461 (RAAF) Sqn Sunderland II T9114:UT-E, on Angle Airfield, on 29 May 1943.

    Here is the incident in which F/O J J Gale was injured:

    25 May 1942
    No.22 OTU
    Wellington IC AD625
    Ground.

    While waiting for clearance to take-off from Stratford-upon-Avon, the Wellington was struck at 0240 by another of the unit's aircraft and totally destroyed. Both survivors were taken to Stratford Hospital, very seriously injured. Of those who died, Sgt Hough was taken to Macclesfield Cemetery, while the others were laid to rest in Stratford-upon-Avon Cemetery.

    45149 F/O (1st Pilot) John James GALE DFM RAF - Injured (+ 23-11-43)
    AUS404671 Sgt (2nd Pilot) Vyvyan Roessler PASCOE RAAF +
    NZ404977 Sgt (Obs.) John Syddall WILLIAMS RNZAF +
    NZ412313 Sgt (W.Op./Air Gnr.) Douglass CALLAGHAN RNZAF +
    NZ405532 Sgt (W.Op./Air Gnr.) Mervyn WILKINSON RNZAF +
    994140 Sgt (Air Gnr.) James Eric HOUGH RAFVR +
    J/8794 P/O (Air Gnr.) Claude Reginald Frederick MORRIS RCAF - Injured (+ 5-9-42, No.419 RCAF Sqn. Wellington III BJ602. BCL3/205)


    25 May 1942
    No.22 OTU
    Wellington IC DV480
    Training

    T/o Stratford-upon-Avon for a night navigation exercise and was destroyed, as mentioned above. A particularly strong cross-wind was deemed to have been a contributory factor in this tragic accident. Sgt Whitworth is buried in Shepherd Cemetery; both Commonwealth airmen rest in Stratford-upon-Avon Cemetery, while F/S Gibby, a member of the pre-war Auxiliary Air Force, lies in Tunbridge Wells Cemetery,

    1202832 Sgt (Pilot) Charles Robert WHITWORTH RAFVR +
    NZ411721 Sgt (Obs.) Ronald Ernest HERBERT RNZAF +
    812346 F/S (W.Op./Air Gnr.) John Llewellyn GIBBY RAF(Aux.AF) +
    R/62860 F/S (W.Op./Air Gnr.) Robert Douglas COOK RCAF +
    Sgt (Air Gnr.) S A NOYES RCAF - Injured

    See: BCL7/115-116

    Col.
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    Bugger, if I stuck with it I might have got it, a preponderance of RAAF, RNZAF and RCAF in there.
    The KOAS list does include the RAF men, Hough, Whitworth, Gibby, it would have come together. Hough's name is printed an dscanned strangely.
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    Hello,

    Not the first time Gale was injured:

    14/15 November 1940
    No.102 Sqn
    Whitley V P5097:DY-Q

    T/o 1642 Linton-on-Ouse for Berlin. Hit by flak over Berlin which damaged port engine. Crash-landed near King's Lynn. P/O Ellingham was commissioned in the RAFVR on 3 October 1939. Gale's DFM was Gazetted on 17 January 1941.

    580307 Sgt (Pilot) John James GALE RAF - Injured
    74701 P/O ( - ? - ) William Lloyd ELLINGHAM RAFVR (New Zealand) - Injured
    581223 Sgt ( - ? - ) William Ernest HOOL RAF - Injured. (later 48498 F/O DFC - 462[RAAF] Sqn.)
    624867 Sgt (W.Op./Air Gnr.) Dudley Arthur Ronald TALLIS RAF - Safe (later 48958 P/O DFM + 31-5-42. 22 OTU. Wellington IC R1235 - BCL7/120)
    903147 Sgt (W.Op./Air Gnr.) Norman Reginald SKINNER RAFVR - Safe (+ 13/14-3-41 102 Sqn. Whitley V T4273. BCL2/31)

    See: BCL1(2nd.rev.ed.)/240

    Col.

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