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    Default Re: RAF Casualty Packs 1939-45 Public Access

    Another 2 open Files

    AIR 81/1644 as of 7th June 2021 (was due for release 2024)


    Pilot Officer I St J Beere, Sergeant A V Strong, Aircraftman E Duff: killed; Whitley K7225, 97 Squadron; aircraft accident, 8 November 1939.

    AIR 81/1871 as of 11th June 2021 (was due for release 2031)


    Pilot Officer W G C Edmonds: injured; aircraft accident, Upper Heyford, Hampden P1270, 76 Squadron, 4 March 1940.


    Makes 7 closed files opened so far this year via FoI requests

    Total Closed Files now 317

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    PS I have noticed from Closed WO416 Files that any with an Opening Date of say 1 Jan 2022 will be opened automatically next year - For instance 6 WO416 with a DoB in 1920 were opened 1 Jan 2021 - So far this will be 67 Records, 126 in 2023 and 11 in 2024 -- The rest are spread out various years 2025 to 2095 - Though a friendly FoI request may get long tails opened earlier :-)

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    2 Files opened early Sept 2021

    AIR 81/2076 is one of the 5 "long tail ones" I requested to be opened back in June 2021 - 2 released so far

    Including the first release of one of 1 of the 3 files Temp Retained by Dept - So 2 Still Temp Retained by Dept

    Total Closed Files 311


    Reference: AIR 81/2076
    Description:
    Sergeant I L Thomas, Sergeant V Spurr, Leading Aircraftman H Bridson: killed; failed to return from operational flight over Holland, Blenheim L8831, 40 Squadron, 10 May 1940

    Date: 1949 Jan 01 - 2011 Dec 31
    Held by: The National Archives, Kew
    Former reference in its original department: P 351913/40 PART B
    Legal status: Public Record(s)
    Closure status: Open Document, Open Description
    Access conditions: Closed Until 2021
    Record opening date: 02 September 2021


    Reference: AIR 81/13367
    Description:
    Pilot Officer N P Morse (RNZAF), Flight Sergeant J E Lineham, Flight Sergeant G H Vogan (RNZAF), Sergeant N J Naylor, Sergeant G Lakeman, Sergeant R G Richards: missing believed killed; Wellington X3757, 57 Squadron, aircraft failed to return from an operational flight over Hamburg, Germany, 8 April 1942

    Date: 1942 Jan 1 - 1951 Dec 31
    Held by: The National Archives, Kew
    Former reference in its original department: P 367606/42
    Legal status: Public Record(s)
    Closure status: Open Document, Open Description
    Access conditions: Retained Until 2021
    Record opening date: 03 September 2021

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    Some Sep 2021 notes & queries on transfer & release of WW2 RAF P4 Casualty files from MoD to TNA (AIR 81)

    I see from
    https://discovery.nationalarchives.g...tails/r/C16484
    that
    "the series is accruing; currently released for dates up to late November 1941. "

    A check of files in AIR 81 for 211 Squadron in fact shows a number of instances of files for losses in February 1942, so the AIR 81 summary seems to be out-dated.
    I couldn't find any other note on release progress.

    In addition, while there are 211 Sqn losses listed for Feb 1942, two known losses on 13 Feb 1942 are not listed at all.

    Accuracy: for some reason, in the existing AIR 81 item descriptions there are numerous errors, for example
    in surnames (Gormall for Gornall eg)
    in location ("Palembang Malaya" for Palembang Sumatra - numerous cases, Bitoit for Bitolj - now Bitola)
    and in one instance,
    aircraft id (D8376 for Blenheim I L8376)

    Queries arising
    1: can someone more familiar offer a firm summary (& source) of current transfer/release progress & updates, please?

    2. On the two 13 Feb 42 losses, while RAF Museum & AHB were each earlier of some help with related records of the time, for these two P4 Cas files am I right in thinking to first ask Air Historical Br for assistance (rather than DoRIS/RAF Museum)?


    Lastly, as a polite footnote to board history
    Trance v Tranche
    Repeated refs to "Trance 1" etc for files batches are quite mistaken.
    The term is Tranche, & more usually applied to parts of a whole in a finance/asset scheme.
    Last edited by Don Clark; 19th September 2021 at 22:35.
    Toujours propos

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    Don,
    Tks for your footnote. I thought I'd missed a modernism! Glad to see the correct title!
    Rgds
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    Don will use Tranche from now on Paul

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    Queries arising
    1: can someone more familiar offer a firm summary (& source) of current transfer/release progress & updates, please?

    No - They are haphazard and no signalling from National Archives but on average we get two release tranches per year of 1000 files per release- (pre Covid) - last release June 2021

    2. On the two 13 Feb 42 losses, while RAF Museum & AHB were each earlier of some help with related records of the time, for these two P4 Cas files am I right in thinking to first ask Air Historical Br for assistance (rather than DoRIS/RAF Museum)?

    latest date of files is broadly June 1942 - But some files can turn out of sequence - we still got some 1940 files in the last release

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    26th June 1942 is the latest I've seen.

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    Thank you all.

    I'll ask RAF AHB for further advice on the two losses & their Cas P4 /AIR 81 files.
    Toujours propos

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    Off-topic, but I cannot help but notice that Paul McMillan has just passed 6,000 posts ! Well done Paul. Always helpful to everyone.

    Many thanks,

    Martin.

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