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    Well done Paul, superb work

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    Another Release of a closed file

    I got this email today

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    AIR 81/2750 - Sergeant R S Hartnell, Sergeant E R Eastoe, Sergeant H G Ives, Sergeant F C E Gates: killed; Sergeant C A V Attwood, Sergeant E J Stephens, Sergeant R T Richardson, Sergeant E G Turner: missing believed killed; aircraft accident, Isle of Man, Wellington N2945, 11 Operational Training Unit, 24 August 1940

    I am pleased to tell you that, in consultation with the ministry of Defence, it has been decided that a redacted version of this record will be made available for public viewing at The National Archives, Kew, by 7 December 2021.

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    After my last batch of successful releases I am now looking to the next 3 long tail ones I have today made FoI for



    1) TNA1638265318A94
    Ref: CAS-81131-L3J8P8
    Tracking Ref: CRM:0001456

    Current Open Date 01/01/2088



    AIR 81/1803 Flying Officer J R Garrett: injured; Sergeant H C Moorby: killed; Leading Aircraftman T C McClure, Aircraftman R Beattie: uninjured; aircraft accident, Prestatyn, 502 Squadron, 19 January 1940.

    Anson N5050 YG-B

    90037 F/O John Randle GARRETT Pilot Ok

    Birth Dec 1906 Belfast, Antrim, Northern Ireland
    Death 12 Aug 1958 Belfast, Antrim, Northern Ireland

    Killed

    Aircraftman 1st Class Robert BEATTIE (521868) Wireless Op
    Sergeant Harold Christopher MOORBY (816074) Observer
    Leading Aircraftman Thomas Christopher McCLURE (816021) Air Gunner


    Thomas McClure and AC1 Robert Beattie, died a short time later from their injuries.


    2) TNA1638266129A45
    Ref CAS-81135-B6Y7G9
    Tracking Ref: CRM:0001472

    Current Open Date 01/01/2083


    AIR 81/1849 Sergeant T Owen, Sergeant W Mahon: killed; aircraft accident, Gosberton, Battle P2260, 26 February 1940.


    Sgt (Pilot) Thomas Owens #565435 and AC2 William Mahon #624822:


    3) TNA1638265947V40
    Ref CAS-81136-G3M2M1
    Tracking Ref: CRM:0001473


    Current Open Date 01/01/2085

    AIR 81/2119 Sergeant R E Newbatt, Sergeant J K Crawley, Sergeant A V Knowles: missing believed killed; aircraft failed to return from operational flight over Belgium, "Blenheim P4893", 82 Squadron, 17 May 1940.


    Actually Blenheim IV P6893

    Sgt Reginald Edward Newbatt #580271 Sergeant 17/05/1940
    Sgt Joseph Kenneth Crawley #580572 Sergeant 17/05/1940
    Sgt Albert Vernon Knowles #530226 Sergeant 17/05/1940


    See Also 81/2119


    Other than 2 part files

    AIR 81/2092/1
    AIR 81/2408/1

    Which are 2090 and 2095 if I can get these 3 (1 part opened) opened then the max date ins now in the 2070's.. (3 files) which would be my next step.. I hope to eventually get down to at least 2050. (15 files in total) - again if anyone wants to help I would go for the following 3 next..

    AIR 81/1831
    AIR 81/1953/1
    AIR 81/3200

    Kind Regards Paul

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    Some kind soul (or 2) have arranged 2 more closed files to be opened (originally 01-01-2023) - These were opened 3rd Dec 2021 and are

    Reference: AIR 81/1719
    Description:
    Sergeant W F McEwan: injured; Magister 8351, 30 Elementary Flying Training School; aircraft accident, Uttoxeter, 6 December 1939

    Date: 1939 Jan 01 - 1940 Dec 31
    Held by: The National Archives, Kew
    Former reference in its original department: P 350671/39
    Legal status: Public Record(s)
    Closure status: Open Document, Open Description
    Access conditions: Closed Until 2021
    Record opening date: 03 December 2021

    Reference: AIR 81/1807
    Description:
    Sergeant J F Bremner: missing believed killed; aircraft accident, Bishopbriggs, Oxford L4669, 8 Flying Training School, 23 January 1940

    Date: 1940 Jan 01 - 1940 Dec 31
    Held by: The National Archives, Kew
    Former reference in its original department: P 351023/40
    Legal status: Public Record(s)
    Closure status: Open Document, Open Description
    Access conditions: Closed Until 2021
    Record opening date: 03 December 2021



    Please Note: 67 of the 289 Closed Files will be opened automatically on 1st Jan 2022

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    Another Closed 01-01- 2023 File opened


    AIR 81/1822
    Description:
    Flight Lieutenant J N Thornewill, Flying Officer R H Lemon: killed; aircraft accident, Porthcawl, Henley L3339, 7 Bombing and Gunnery School, 11 February 1940

    Date: 1940 Jan 01 - 1940 Dec 31
    Held by: The National Archives, Kew
    Former reference in its original department: P 351132/40
    Legal status: Public Record(s)
    Closure status: Open Document, Open Description
    Access conditions: Closed Until 2021
    Record opening date: 15 December 2021

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    Some Progress re:


    AIR 81/1849 - Sergeant T Owen, Sergeant W Mahon: killed; aircraft accident, Gosberton, Battle P2260

    AIR 81/2119 - Sergeant R E Newbatt, Sergeant J K Crawley, Sergeant A V Knowles: missing believed killed; aircraft failed to return from operational flight over Belgium, Blenheim P4893, 82 Squadron, 17 May 1940

    AIR 81/1803 - Flying Officer J R Garrett: injured; Sergeant H C Moorby: killed; Leading Aircraftman T C McClure, Aircraftman R Beattie: uninjured; aircraft accident, Prestatyn, 502 Squadron, 19 January 1940

    "AIR 81/1849 and AIR 81/1803, it has been decided that redacted versions of these records will be made available for public viewing at The National Archives, Kew shortly. We are currently redacting the files and will contact you again to outline your options for accessing the records just as soon as the redactions are complete. There are some delays at present as there is a backlog of files to be redacted, but I anticipate that the files will be available early February."


    With regard to AIR 81/2119, this file will be opened in full, but in order to avoid redactions under the 100 year rule, it is necessary that it is released after 1 February 2022.

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    Hi Paul and thankyou for keeping us/the forum updated, much appreciated. All the best for 2022.
    Cheers
    Peter

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    Default Re: RAF Casualty Packs 1939-45 Public Access

    Quote Originally Posted by paulmcmillan View Post
    Some Progress re:


    AIR 81/1849 - Sergeant T Owen, Sergeant W Mahon: killed; aircraft accident, Gosberton, Battle P2260

    AIR 81/2119 - Sergeant R E Newbatt, Sergeant J K Crawley, Sergeant A V Knowles: missing believed killed; aircraft failed to return from operational flight over Belgium, Blenheim P4893, 82 Squadron, 17 May 1940

    AIR 81/1803 - Flying Officer J R Garrett: injured; Sergeant H C Moorby: killed; Leading Aircraftman T C McClure, Aircraftman R Beattie: uninjured; aircraft accident, Prestatyn, 502 Squadron, 19 January 1940

    "AIR 81/1849 and AIR 81/1803, it has been decided that redacted versions of these records will be made available for public viewing at The National Archives, Kew shortly. We are currently redacting the files and will contact you again to outline your options for accessing the records just as soon as the redactions are complete. There are some delays at present as there is a backlog of files to be redacted, but I anticipate that the files will be available early February."


    With regard to AIR 81/2119, this file will be opened in full, but in order to avoid redactions under the 100 year rule, it is necessary that it is released after 1 February 2022.
    Hi Paul

    However, McClure and Beattie are shown as dying the same day as Moorby?

    Malcolm

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    Some nice person (s) (not me in this case) have organised an additional 2 closed files to be opened (one that was not due to be released 2030) on 22 Jan 2022


    AIR 81/1901
    Description:
    Sergeant A R Hermels: died of wounds; mid-air collision involving Blenheim L8845, 35 Squadron, and Blenheim L6596, 90 Squadron, 12 March 1940



    AIR 81/1626
    Description:
    Sergeant E T Summers, Leading Aircraftman D George, Aircraftman J Bailey, Aircraftman G H C Newman, Aircraftman A Hardman, Aircraftman W Watson, Aircraftman W H Dye: killed; Wellington L4239, 38 Squadron; aircraft struck trees flying low, 5 November 1939

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    Paul,

    In case this is important, do you know about the confusion that exists between L1396 and L6596? ABS serials prefers L1396 'collided with Blenheim on take off, Upwood 12/3/40.' For L6596 '104/90/17 OTU to 2178M 21/3/1940.' Googling these a/c serials shows that some others are also uncertain about them (ASN for one). Also note that two airmen were awarded the BEM, later changed to The GC, for their part in rescuing Hermels.

    DaveW
    Last edited by davew; 27th January 2022 at 20:41. Reason: added GC info

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