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    Default Re: RAF Casualty Packs 1939-45 Public Access

    Hi Pete, this is fascinating news, HOWEVER, please tell me and others with the same question before I click on the 'buy now', this is about the Air 81/casualty packs, does it refer to the files that have yet to be released, that we have been waiting to see for years, or just the stuff that has already been released ????? How much info is in there ? Anything you can tell us about it would be of great benefit to everyone here because the information on it so far is very sparse. Thanks Pete.
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    I've gone ahead and bought it anyways based on the contents viewable from the 'look inside' option on the Amazon link. Looks interesting, thanks for heads-up. It seems to be a guide to researching the files, as opposed to actual files. As one thing leads to another, while browsing that book I came across this also new Bomber Command publication which looks quite interesting also:
    https://www.amazon.co.uk/Bomber-Comm...REQE1WRWFPM9PH
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    The book does deal with files still closed and does have some photos of some documents which must be within those files related to : Mosquito NS654 crewed by F/O Holland and Bloomfield lost on 27 Oct 1944, crews of 207 and 467 Sqdn Lancs lost on 15/16 July 1944, etc. Sergt Houliston of 103 Sqdn on 14 April 1943, etc

    The book explains the Air Ministry casualty processes and procedures through the Air 81 files, explaining what the different forms were, illustrating them in use, the presumption of death system, the MREU search processes, KE file material from German records and its use by MREU, burial records, exhumations, registrations and reburials, photos of some of the men concerned, , aids to indentification, explaining personal effects processes, liaison/co-op with other authorities, next of kin letters, Far East, remains recovered post-1952 and a brief section on the question over using DNA.

    I am using the book as an overview to Air 81 and consider it very good as I will be investing in the copying of a lot of files for 630 and 57 Squadron crews - if I'd wanted to check out fates of particular crews I'd not be buying it.

    Book quality, image quality, all first class
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    Thanks for the come-back Pete, as I said I've bought it anyway based on the look-see. Your comment "if I'd wanted to check out fates of particular crews I'd not be buying it", is important as that was my initial thinking when I saw about the book, I thought all the Air 81 files published in a book. Wishful thinking ! Maybe 'they' will get their fingers out and publish the files just like they have done with everything else. I posted about these two books on the Bomber Command group after your heads-up and it has generated quite a discussion. Not least that the other book is advertised at 38 at Amazon but is available at half the price elsewhere.
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    Hi Cyflyer1
    I don't think you'd ever find all of Air 81 in a book, there must be millions of pages. I have copies of several early files which are not too fat but one which I have, a Wellington crew file is well over 100 pages just for the one crew.
    cheers PeteS

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    Hi Pete, and season's greetings to you, and all our fellow forum friends. I am actually reading through the book as we speak, just put it down for a moments to post here. It is a fascinating read and aimed at the process of compiling the Air 81 files. It is definately worth the purchase. I am beginning to understand maybe the reason for the delay in releasing these files, as sometimes the post mortum details are highly detailed and gruesome, and as the author states, were never intended to by released to the public. Anyone even remotely interested in researching personnel files at TNA will find this a useful insight.
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    Hi,

    A new batch was released today - upto AIR 81/15587.

    Best regards

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    Thanks Luc

    How did you spot so quickly ?

    Looking at this now

    Approx 1 Month 20th May 1942 to 15th June 1942

    1156 files (1153 Unique References) -That is a lot of Casualty records for 1 month!!

    Of interest 61 Out of Sequence Records including a lot of Battle of Britain Records

    AIR 81/15304 Sergeant S Karubin (Polish): injured; Hurricane V7290, 303 Squadron, aircraft shot down during aerial combat, crashed near Pembury, Kent, 6 September 1940.
    AIR 81/15307 Sergeant O V Houghton: killed; Hurricane V6646, 501 Squadron, aircraft shot down during aerial combat over Dungeness, Kent, 6 September 1940.
    AIR 81/15308 Flying Officer H T Gilbert: injured; Hurricane V6647, 601 Squadron, baled from aircraft during aerial combat, 6 September 1940.
    AIR 81/15309 Sergeant J W Carter, Sergeant W I Mackay, Pilot Officer F J Drake-Carnell: killed; Squadron Leader G F Lerwill: injured; Hampden P4378, 144 Squadron, aircraft failed to return from an operational flight, 6 September 1940.
    AIR 81/15310 Flying Officer B H Bowring: injured; Hurricane V7386, 111 Squadron, aircraft damaged during aerial combat, force landed near Dartford, Kent, 6 September 1940.
    AIR 81/15312 Pilot Officer A C Maclaren, Aircraftsman J Watson: injured; Blenheim L4908, 604 Squadron, aircraft accident, forced landing Foxcotte farm near Andover, Hampshire, 6 September 1940.
    AIR 81/15313 Leading Aircraftsman E J Heather: injured; Magister N5410, 15 Elementary Flying Training School, aircraft accident, mid air collision, 5 miles east of Annan, Scotland, 6 September 1940.
    AIR 81/15314 Pilot Officer J Topolnicki (Polish): injured; Hurricane P3382, 601 Squadron, baled from aircraft during aerial combat, 6 September 1940.
    AIR 81/15315 Squadron leader Z Kraznodebski (Polish): injured; Hurricane P3974, 303 Squadron, baled from aircraft during aerial combat, 6 September 1940.
    AIR 81/15316 Flying Officer W Lapowski (Polish): injured; Hurricane P2985, 303 Squadron, baled from aircraft during aerial combat over the Thames Estuary, 5 September 1940.
    AIR 81/15317 Pilot Officer H W Eliot: injured; Hurricane P2875, 78 Squadron, baled from aircraft during enemy action, vicinity of Maidstone, Kent, 6 September 1940.
    AIR 81/15318 Pilot Officer T G F Ritchie: injured; Spitfire R6843, 602 Squadron, gunshot wounds during enemy action, aircraft landed at West Hampnett aerodrome, West Sussex, with damaged retracted undercarriage, 6 September 1940.
    AIR 81/15319 Pilot Officer D A R G Le Roy Du Vivier (Belgian): injured; Hurricane P3903, 43 Squadron, aircraft shot down during aerial combat, 9 September 1940.
    AIR 81/15320 Sergeant W Bell, Sergeant J Bracegirdle (RNZAF): killed; Pilot Officer S R Taunton, Pilot Officer H J Vollmer: prisoners of war; Hampden P2087, 44 Squadron, aircraft failed to return from an operational flight, 6 September 1940.
    AIR 81/15321 Flying Officer R H Thomas, Pilot Officer D J A Stevens, Sergeant R Hilton, Sergeant H V Seed, Sergeant B W Neville: missing believed killed; Whitley P4935, 10 Squadron, aircraft failed to return from an operational flight, 7 September 1940.
    AIR 81/15322 Pilot Officer J R Caister: prisoner of war; Spitfire X4260, 603 Squadron, force landed south of Calais, France, 6 September 1940.
    AIR 81/15323 Flight Lieutenant J C D Haskins, Sergeant W L Evans, Pilot Officer J V Silverston, Sergeant R Cartwright: prisoners of war; Hampden P4350, 49 Squadron, aircraft failed to return from an operational flight, 6 September 1940.
    AIR 81/15324 Pilot Officer D J Sanders: killed; Spitfire P9560, 54 Squadron, aircraft accident, Village farm, Bolton on Swale, North Yorkshire, 7 September 1940.
    AIR 81/15325 Pilot Officer M Bywater, Sergeant R P Adlam, Sergeant K A Brooker, Leading Aircraftsman H Key: killed; Blenheim T1881, 107 Squadron, aircraft accident near Wicken, Norfolk, 10 October 1940.
    AIR 81/15326 Aircraftsman J H Lee: injured; 908 Squadron, enemy action bombing raid, Walthamstow, East London, 10 October 1940.
    AIR 81/15327 Pilot Officer C W Rafter, Sergeant G W Hunt, Sergeant R Eastment, Sergeant C Hellewell: killed; Sergeant R J Capel, Sergeant R W Powrie: injured; Wellington L7340, 214 Reserve Flight, aircraft accident, aircraft struck hangar during take off, Stradishall aerodrome, Suffolk, 11 October 1940.
    AIR 81/15328 Pilot Officer J G Lecky: killed; Spitfire P9447, 41 Squadron, aircraft shot down during aerial combat, crashed West Kingsdown, Kent, 11 October 1940.
    AIR 81/15329 Flying Officer D H O'Neill: killed; Spitfire X4052, 41 Squadron, mid air collision with Spitfire X4554, during aerial combat, crashed West Kingsdown, Kent, 11 October 1940.
    AIR 81/15330 Pilot Officer P D Poole: injured; Spitfire K9870, 72 Squadron, baled from aircraft during aerial combat over Kent, 11 October 1940.
    AIR 81/15331 Sergeant V D Gee, Sergeant Castle, Aircraftsman Willis; uninjured; Blenheim L8729, 219 Squadron, aircraft accident returning from an operational flight, Acklington aerodrome, Northumberland, 11 October 1940.
    AIR 81/15332 Sergeant R Wolton: injured; Spitfire P9391, 152 Squadron, aircraft crashed due to enemy action near Dorchester, Dorset, 11 October 1940.
    AIR 81/15333 Pilot Officer J H Pickering: injured; Spitfire X4562, 66 Squadron, aircraft crashed due to enemy action near Canterbury, Kent, 11 October 1940.
    AIR 81/15334 Pilot Officer R W Ferguson, Sergeant W G Stephens, Sergeant E G A Hart: interned; Blenheim T2074, 17 Operational Training Unit, aircraft failed to return from ferrying duties, Tunis, North Africa, 16 September 1940.
    AIR 81/15335 Sergeant L Ward, Flying Officer S E Bussey, Sergeant J L Alexander, Sergeant C T O Bruce: injured; Anson K8769, 217 Squadron, aircraft accident shortly after take off, crashed 1 mile South East of Trevose Head, Cornwall, 12 October 1940.
    AIR 81/15336 Sergeant K C Pattison: died of injuries; Spitfire P7323, 611 Squadron, aircraft crashed following aerial combat, Crooksey green, between Kidderminster and Bromsgrove, Worcestershire, 11 October 1940.
    AIR 81/15337 Leading Aircraftsman: H Hall; died of wounds; 55 Squadron, enemy action bombing raid, Fuka, Egypt, 11 October 1940.
    AIR 81/15339 Squadron Leader A M Maclachlan: injured; Spitfire R6616, 92 Squadron, controls shot away aircraft would not flatten out, crashed and overturned in ploughed field, 10 mile east of Tonbridge, Kent, 12 October 1940.
    AIR 81/15340 Pilot Officer K C Gundry: injured; Hurricane V6794, 257 Squadron, aircraft forced landing following enemy action, RAF Rochester, Kent, 12 October 1940.
    AIR 81/15342 Squadron Leader L H Rose: injured; Flight Lieutenant J G Butt Read, Wing Commander E H Eldridge: uninjured; Bleheim T2272, 27 Maintenance Unit, aircraft accident forced landing, Homley 7 miles South West, Coventry, 11 October 1940.
    AIR 81/15343 Sergeant J Roberts: injured; Oxford N4691, 20 Service Flying Training School, aircraft accident, Cranborne, Rhodesia, 12 October 1940.
    AIR 81/15344 Sergeant J V Wadham: killed; Hurricane V7426, 145 Squadron, aircraft shot down during aerial combat over Cranbrook, Kent, 12 October 1940.
    AIR 81/15345 Sergeant P Thorpe: injured; Hurricane P3896, 145 Squadron, enemy action aircraft crashed 2 miles North of Hastings, Sussex, 12 October 1940.
    AIR 81/15346 Sergeant C E Pettit: killed; Spitfire P9327, 57 Operational Training Unit, aircraft accident, 2 miles south east of Abergele, Denbighshire, 12 October 1940.
    AIR 81/15347 Sergeant P R C McIntosh: killed; Hurricane P3022, 605 Squadron, aircraft crashed during enemy action, Littlestone, Kent 12 October 1940.
    AIR 81/15348 Flight Lieutenant C E Harris, Pilot Officer J E W Bott: injured; Sergeant H C Tuckwell: uninjured; Blenheim L4866, 17 Operational Training Unit, aircraft accident during take-off, Upwood aerodrome, Cambridgeshire, 12 October 1940.
    AIR 81/15349 Pilot Officer R V Baron: killed; Pilot Officer G M Head: uninjured; Blenheim L1113, 219 Squadron, aircraft crashed near Ewhurst, Kent, 12 October 1940.
    AIR 81/15353 Corporal A J Stevens: died of injuries; enemy air attack over Gosport, Hampshire, 10 January 1941.
    AIR 81/15354 Aircraftsman A Buckton, Leading Aircraftsman R Courtney: injured, enemy air attack over Gosport, Hampshire, 10 January 1941.
    AIR 81/15357 Pilot Officer A H Poulsen, Sergeant J Burton, Sergeant H Summers: missing believed killed; Blenheim T2163, 82 Squadron, aircraft failed to return from an operational flight, 11 January 1941.
    AIR 81/15358 Aircraftsman E W Cossey: killed; Leading Aircraftsman G A Norton: injured; 903 Squadron, delayed action bomb blast, Champion Hill, London, 12 January 1941.
    AIR 81/15362 Multiple casualties; RAF personnel, aircraft accident, Beaufighter R2089, 51 Maintenance Unit, Lichfield aerodrome, 12 January 1941.
    AIR 81/15363 Sergeant W M Davies, Sergeant C J Smith: injured; Hampden L4123, 16 Operational Training Unit, aircraft accident near Upper Heyford aerodrome, Oxfordshire, 12 January 1941.
    AIR 81/15364 Pilot Officer H Newhouse, Sergeant H Irving, Sergeant L Jackson, Sergeant P C Prosser: killed; Hampden L4045, 49 Squadron, aircraft accident Northorpe Grange Farm, Lincolnshire, 12 January 1941.
    AIR 81/15365 Sergeant W A Lack: injured; Spitfire X4413, 72 Squadron, overshot runway landing, RAF Acklington, Northumberland, 12 January 1941.
    AIR 81/15366 Sergeant R J K Gent: killed; Magister N1028, 501 Squadron, forced landing Greenore, near Wells, Somerset, 12 January 1941.
    AIR 81/15367 Flying Officer E A H Chapple: killed; Hurricane P3871, 79 Squadron, aircraft accident, mid air collision, RAF Pembrey aerodrome, Carmarthenshire, Wales, 12 January 1941.
    AIR 81/15369 Pilot Officer M C Arnold, Sergeant D M Halford, Sergeant L C E Crook: injured; Blenheim L9321, 2 Operational Training Unit, collision with stationary aircraft, Catfoss aerodrome, Yorkshire, 12 January 1941.
    AIR 81/15372 Pilot Officer A RE Cooper, Pilot Officer E R Arnold, Sergeant R Lucas, Sergeant S Broadhurst: killed: Squadron Leader P A Gilchrist, Sergeant A G Aedy: injured; Halifax L9489, 35 Squadron, shot down by British night fighter returning from an operational flight over Le Havre, France, 10 March 1941.
    AIR 81/15373 Flight Sergeant L Nuttal, Sergeant A J Neal: killed; Sergeant G R Thistle: missing believed killed; Blenheim L8612, 84 Squadron, aircraft failed to return from an operational flight over Bitolj, Greece, 11 April 1941.
    AIR 81/15376 Pilot Officer D G Dickie, Sergeant A L Glaves, Sergeant E R Hall, Sergeant P Somers: missing believed killed; Hampden AD863, 106 Squadron, aircraft failed to return from an operational flight over Cologne, Germany, 15 June 1941.
    AIR 81/15378 Sergeant J B Hancock, Sergeant W R Welch, Sergeant W W Melville, Sergeant R S Peck, Sergeant A Melville: missing believed killed; Wellington P1372, 99 Squadron, aircraft failed to return from an operational flight over Bremen, Germany, 26 June 1941.
    AIR 81/15382 Flying Officer E Q Tobin: killed; Spitfire W3801, 71 Eagle squadron, Pilot Officer H S Fenlaw: missing believed killed; Spitfire AB909, 71 Eagle squadron, Pilot Officer W H Nichols: prisoner of war; Spitfire AB900, 71 Eagle squadron, pilots engaged in aerial combat over France, 7 September 1941.
    AIR 81/15384 Flight Sergeant A A Nordon, Sergeant R H Todman, Sergeant A Pilkington, Sergeant A E Cosgrove, Sergeant J L S Dunlop, Sergeant R H N Tothill: killed; Wellington Z8397, 12 Squadron, aircraft crashed returning from an operational sortie, near Caister on Sea, Norfolk, 11 October 1941.
    AIR 81/15385 Pilot Officer K Farnes, Pilot Officer C H Hayes: killed; Sergeant C H Brumby (RNZAF), Sergeant Ralph: injured; Wellington R1037, 12 Operational Training Unit, aircraft accident, Chipping Warden Village, Northamptonshire, 20 October 1941.
    AIR 81/15386 Pilot Officer A J Pyle, Sergeant W H Poole, Sergeant L J Arsenault (RCAF), Sergeant L J Abbott: killed; Pilot Officer I E Miller, Pilot Officer D Frederick: prisoner of war; Wellington R1168, 40 Squadron, aircraft failed to return from an operational flight over Naples, Italy 5 December 1941.
    AIR 81/15388 Multiple casualties; RAF and Army personnel, Merchant Vessel No Y7 'Llangibby Castle' torpedoed 16 January 1942. With photographs.

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    In this release there are No closed records!!!!

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    Default Re: RAF Casualty Packs 1939-45 Public Access

    Paul,
    Tks dat. POW data already assimilated into G/sht. Some was 'new', some not!
    HTH
    Peter Davies
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    We might not know - but we might know who does!

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