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    Default Re: RAF Casualty Packs 1939-45 Public Access

    A researcher on this site requested a FOI file to be opened

    AIR 81/11292
    PO B A Angus: killed; Hurricane L1641, 85 Squadron; shot down and crashed near Lille, France, 16 May 1940

    And as of yesterday (30th June 2022) this was released in a redacted version

    It was originally closed for 77 years (originally Opening date 01/01/2030)

    Paul

    It was a bit unusual in that it is an out of sequence (later numbered file)

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    Default Re: RAF Casualty Packs 1939-45 Public Access

    PS I also believe AIR 81/1989 may be subject of FoI (not me) Pilot Officer J M Davies, Flying Officer L A McSherry, Leading Aircraftman M H Costello, Pilot Officer K R B Ainsworth: killed; Pilot Officer G W Salzgeber: injured; aircraft accident, Northcote, Whitley K8957, 10 Operational Training Unit, 8 April 1940.

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    Just requested another 4 FOI to be released - Will keep you all up to date re progress

    AIR 81/1781 Pilot Officer A J Mathew, Corporal D Irving: killed; aircraft accident, Fochabers, Harvard P5848, 15 Flying Training School, 9 January 1940.
    CAS-89943-J8V4X3 Tracking Ref: CRM:0001085. TNA1658249357G60
    AIR 81/1817 Flying Officer J A C White (RCAF), Pilot Officer A H M Wright, Leading Aircraftman H J N Marsden: missing believed killed; aircraft accident, Bishops Rock, Anson K8746, 217 Squadron, 6 February 1940.
    CAS-89944-R6P2N2 Tracking Ref: CRM:0001087 TNA1658249516W60

    AIR 81/1990 Flight Lieutenant A Alexander: died of injuries; Sergeant Pilot R J Houchin: injured; aircraft accident, Shawbury, Oxford P1933, 11 Service Flying Training School, 8 April 1940.
    CAS-89945-F9D4M3 Tracking Ref: CRM:0001090 TNA1658249601T58W60


    AIR 81/2321 Pilot Officer A Swainston, Pilot Officer I F Lothian, Aircraftman J P Morgan, Sergeant J W T Alderslade: missing believed killed; crashed at sea during reconnaissance mission over French coastal ports, Anson N5226, 500 Squadron, 28 June 1940.
    CAS-89946-L2D9F0 Tracking Ref: CRM:0001092 TNA1658249714F43
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    Default Re: RAF Casualty Packs 1939-45 Public Access

    Also I would like to add

    Reference: AIR 81/1989

    Some one else got this closed file opened on 1st July 2022


    Reference: AIR 81/1989
    Description:
    Pilot Officer J M Davies, Flying Officer L A McSherry, Leading Aircraftman M H Costello, Pilot Officer K R B Ainsworth: killed; Pilot Officer G W Salzgeber: injured; aircraft accident, Northcote, Whitley K8957, 10 Operational Training Unit, 8 April 1940

    Date: 1940 Jan 01 - 1948 Dec 31
    Held by: The National Archives, Kew
    Former reference in its original department: P 351570/40
    Legal status: Public Record(s)
    Closure status: Open Document, Open Description
    Access conditions: Closed Until 2022
    Record opening date: 01 July 2022


    Paul

    PS now only 216 Air 81 Files are closed

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    How is an Air 81/xxxx number alloted to a particular aircraft loss long before it is released ? I am particularly interested in getting hold of the Air 81 files of the following losses, what would be their Air 81 file numbers ?
    In cases where there are RAAF, RCAF, SAAF crew members amougst those crews, do those representetive airforces hold those same casualty files and are available to apply/pay for ?

    F/L BSH Wadham, F/O S Haralambides, F/L RC Halkyard RAAF, F/S HW Ellis, F/O HT Evans RAAF, W/O EK Coyne RCAF, FS Minns. April 1945
    Sgt HB Gonce, Sgt M Muirhead, Sgt JG Dean, P/O MC Anastassiades, Sgt HD Rowe, Sgt J Boyd, Sgt LE Corley RCAF. April 1943
    P/O C Charalambous, 2nd/Lt K Hoyer SAAF, F/O EC Martin, F/O ER Shepherd, Sgt AJ Knight. July 1944
    Sgt JH Borland, Sgt GH Clarkson, Sgt JD Hayes, Sgt SP Pithara, Sgt R Stapley. August 1943
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    Default Re: RAF Casualty Packs 1939-45 Public Access

    The numbers are broadly allocated numerically based on data of casualty - but I have no idea of master index number which AHB must have

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    Default Re: RAF Casualty Packs 1939-45 Public Access

    If you look at the "Former reference in its original department" on TNA Discovery you will get the RAF Registry file reference.

    Taking AIR81/1989 from Paul a few posts ago

    Former reference in its original department: P 351570/40

    P relates to Personnel Files, No 351570 created in 1940

    This also appears on other handy reference docs eg Form 1180

    https://www.dropbox.com/s/4bte2tcmfq...82%29.JPG?dl=0

    https://www.dropbox.com/s/8osxvn4pv5...82%29.JPG?dl=0

    There are duplicates in the registry such as shown on the Form1180 attached and some not transferred to the TNA - the list you want is AIR81 including all open and closed files.

    For RAAF then first call is the National Archives of Australia NAA which may have the RAAF casualty file open for download - if not you can request digitisation but due to world events there is a backlog.
    However this is not the same in contents as the RAF Casualty File.

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    Default Re: RAF Casualty Packs 1939-45 Public Access

    You could/can always request detail from RAF Casualty files from the RAF AHB for a fee.

    https://www.gov.uk/guidance/request-...casualty-files

    You will get one of three responses either
    1. Transferred to TNA apply there
    2. No longer with RAF AHB in process of being redacted prior to transfer
    3. With AHB awaiting transfer - here is info requested.

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    Default Re: RAF Casualty Packs 1939-45 Public Access

    Thanks for the response guys, appreciated. The request from AHB sounds OK (not if you want a few - expensive), but reading the information from the form on the link Ross, you don't get to see the actual documents as when seeing them at TNA ? , only some information taken from the files ? Have I interpreted that correctly ?
    Paul, what about the FOI route that you use, would that work ?
    If I do nothing and wait for time to take its course, when would those files be released into TNA ?
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    Default Re: RAF Casualty Packs 1939-45 Public Access

    FOI is only of use if the file has been transferred to the TNA and is closed status.

    Yes as a restricted document in MoD terms only those with security clearance get access - and the publication of data contained is subject to data protection act - same as Disclosures.

    Got to ask what you expect to find in the Casualty file that is not available else where?

    If yo apply to the RAFAHB your enquiry will be added to the file and when eventually transferred to the TNA will result in the long closure we are seeing as it will be your details that keep it closed. A subsequent FOI from Paul will possibly get it opened but your details will be redacted. Cause and effect.

    Do the other routes first.

    eg for Halkyard RAAF

    https://recordsearch.naa.gov.au/Sear...sicSearch.aspx

    Search times out so put

    Halkyard RAAF

    into the keywords box and hit search

    In the list of returned files is his A705 Casualty File

    Hit the sheaf of papers in the digitised column

    Tip read from the last page (62) to the front

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