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    Paul has been very helpful in maintaining the listings on our pages - however at 8000 records now , it is becoming impossible to format and post those lists on the forum. I have uploaded them in a database here http://www.rafcommands.com/database/air81/index.php where it can be searched by keyword. Its very basic, but should be useful to figure out list of files when in a hurry

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    Jagan

    Thanks for that - Much easier to use that the National Archives anyway!

    Paul

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    Gents,

    Many thanks for your sterling work in providing and keeping these lists up to date. One question I have is that quite a number of entries end with 'Note: Related files XXXX' where XXXX is a four-digit number. Does anyone know what that number relates to? It doesn't seem to be the corresponding AIR 81 number nor, as best as I can work out, the 'last four' of the original reference number (e.g. 'Former reference in its original department: P 357094/41').

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    AIR81/4954 Sergeant J Stenhouse: injured; shot down by enemy anti aircraft fire near Mecheli, Libya, Hurricane V7559, 73 Squadron, 26 January 1941. Note: Related files: 4952, 4956

    If you search by those numbers, several hundred entries may reference them, but there's no indication I can find of what they actually are. Am I just being dense?

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    The 4-digits are directing the reader to another file(s) in the same series. In your example, it points to AIR81/4952 & AIR81/4956, just as you guessed. However, what you are to do when you get those files is the bit that is not obvious: the subject (in your example, Sergeant J Stenhouse), is associated with another person or event in those new files in some way. It may be because that new person was in the same accident or event that affected the original subject. The same method is used in other types of TNA files such as E&E records.

    It would be useful if they named the other person or better still gave the sub-piece number, but they don't. You are not being dense.

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    I have updated the search page to search by the AIR81 folio number SEarching on the two numbers brings up.. and so on

    Multiple casualties: ammunition explosion at Headquarters No. 202 Group, Sidi Mahmoud near Tobruk, 28 January 1941. Note: Related file: 5651

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    Hi Bruce,

    Thanks for your comprehensive reply, much appreciated. Sgt Stenhouse was simply an example I picked at random when writing the post. My original confusion arose when trying to work out how

    AIR 81/5415 1941 Jan 1 - 1941 Dec 31 Pilot Officer H H Kitchener: injured; aircraft failed to return from operational flight, Whirlwind P6985, 263 Squadron, 11 March 1941 Related files: 4952, 4964

    Wounded in a reasonably straightforward action in the UK vs. a Ju88, could possibly relate to

    AIR 81/4952 Multiple casualties: ammunition explosion at Headquarters No. 202 Group, Sidi Mahmoud near Tobruk, 28 January 1941

    And

    AIR 81/4964 Multiple casualties: ammunition explosion at Headquarters No. 202 Group, Sidi Mahmoud near Tobruk, 28 January 1941

    It seemed so unlikely that I completely discounted the obvious answer, i.e. check those files out and run through them. I will have to add those to 'the list' next time I'm at the Archives.

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    Minor enhancement

    The AIR81 Search DB now embeds a hyperlink to the aircraft serial http://www.rafcommands.com/database/air81/

    Clicking on the serial will fetch all posts in the forum matching that aircraft serial - as well as other AIR81 files having the same serial..

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    Hi,

    A new batch of RAF Casualty Packs has been released today (till AIR 81/9145).

    Best regards

    Luc

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    Thanks for the update ... we have waited a long time for those ..... but sadly, only another two months worth
    Main areas of research:

    - CA Butler and the loss of Lancaster ME334 (http://rafww2butler.wordpress.com/ )
    - Aircrew Training (Basic / Trade / Operational / Continuation / Conversion)
    - The History of No. 35 Squadron (1916 - 1982) (https://35squadron.wordpress.com/)

    [Always looking for copies of original documents / photographs etc relating to these subjects]

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    Yes, but I have noticed a second and much larger release seems to follow with a few months.

    Hope I don't have to eat my words on this !

    Regards,

    Martin Gleeson.

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