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    Morning all,

    Not really an RAF question, but a marine one with an RAF connection. I'm digging around in the 100 Squadron ORB at the moment for the Singapore period, and specifically the months between the Munich Crisis and the Japanese invasion. There are numerous references to a "H.T. Dunera", obviously a ship. My question - what do the letters "HT" stand for? Is it a perpetuated typo that should read "HMT", i.e "His Majesty's Troopship"?

    Thanks as always to anyone that can shine a light :)

    Greg
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    Hi Greg,
    HT should read HMT for 'Hired military Transport', in this case a troopship.
    Hope this helps,
    Bruce
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    Bruce,

    Brilliant stuff, a very quick reply!! Many thanks indeed - I'll buy you a pint the next time I'm at TNA if you happen to be there at the same time :)

    All the best,

    Greg
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    Greg

    I have a listing of Dunera's movements for this period if you would like a copy.

    Regards

    Pete
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    [Always looking for copies of original documents / photographs etc relating to these subjects]

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    Col - brilliant photo, many thanks indeed.

    Pete, that would be fantastic, could you email it to me at the usual address - gregATgreg-harrison.co.uk thanks buddy.

    Pints all round chaps!!
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    THe Myth:

    Quote Originally Posted by COL BRUGGY View Post
    The reality:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMT_Dunera

    Also went on to be a school cruise ship.

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    Hi Greg,
    There are quite a few files at TNA covering the events that surrounded Dunera, including ...

    BT 389/10/62
    ADM 199/708
    ADM 199/2185/34

    ... and it might be wise to take the Wiki description with a tad of salt. Nothing specific, but it is clearly partisan in the account given and, at the risk of upsetting someone, it zeroes in on the controversy of the infamous events and gives barely two sentences to further wartime movements.
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    Mark,

    Thanks for your post, which rather alarmingly seems to pour a generous amount of scorn on Col Bruggy's post (Col Bruggy is, by the way, a very well informed and valued member of this forum) and the link therein. It's a shame you seem to consider his input no more than a myth without adding any additional provenance for your own opinion aside from a Wiki link. Wiki links, as we are all well aware I'm sure, are prone to speculation and conjecture due to their being able to be edited by anyone.

    What doesadd a great deal of provenance to Col's (official Australian Government archives) link are the official documents that PeteT has emailed me, which include a comprehensive list of her sailings between September 1939 and early June 1940, which places the vessel very firmly in the Far East, part of the period I am interested in, in exactly the part of the world I'm interested in.

    I'm aware that later in 1940 there is some question over the behaviour of the crew on board the ship in relation to internees she was carrying from Liverpool to Australia, and indeed these are covered in the Wiki link in your post, but as I have already mentioned, Wiki links are not, in my opinion, trustworthy primary sources. I'm sure I'm not alone Mark in saying that if you have primary source material to share regarding the incident I allude to, that I'd like to hear it - it all adds to the great tapestry of history that this forum does so well in providing.

    All the best,

    Greg
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    Bruce - thanks for those file references, great stuff!! I'll check them out the next time I'm at TNA - do you know if they refer to the Far East period I'm looking at, or the later incident referred to by Mark?

    Regarding the Wiki references - see my comments above :-)

    Thanks again,

    Greg
    "You can take the boy out of Wales,
    But you can't take Wales out of the boy!!"

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