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    Default Unaccounted airman - 20-10-1940

    What caused the death of and/or what was the place of death registration for:

    F/Lt William V. EMANUEL - 75652 - killed on active service.

    Proposed aircraft loss for this day:

    Blenheim I - L1467 - 600 Sqn - flew into high ground at night Hurst, near Richmond, Yorkshire.

    Regards and thanks for your help.
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    There appears to be some discrepancies about when L1467 crashed. Warner gives 20 Oct but this site states 20 Dec:

    http://www.allenby.info/aircraft/planes/dales/l9034.html

    as does:

    http://aviation-safety.net/wikibase/wiki.php?id=14841

    "Gentleman in Blue: 600 Squadron" has no incident for 20 Oct but confirms the loss of a Blenheim with Wilson and Holmes on 20 Dec (though it doesn't give a serial).

    And no EMANUEL listed for 600 Squadron

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    Hi Henk
    Warners "Blenheim" has the loss of L1467 but has no details of casualties beyond stating the belief that the crew died. Emanuel, 26, is registered at Kensington, W Central London.
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    Last edited by Dick; 21st April 2008 at 15:55.

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    Hi Amrit
    Warner has a 600 loss on 20/12/40 but identifies it only as BQ-W. He has Wilson and Holmes as the casualties with Wilson being killed and Holmes succumbing to injuries later, he has no cause for the loss but places it as near Richmond in Yorkshire
    Regards
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    Cheers Dick, I should have looked in the next section of Warner. Doh!

    So, do we think that there's been a mix up and the only crash was in December or two seperate incidents? The aforementioned site also states Richmond, where the October incident is suppossed to have occurred. As I said, no mention of an October incident in Gentlemen in Blue.

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    Hi Amrit
    Depends what the serial of BQ-W was, but a mix-up of dates/incidents seems possible
    Regards
    Dick

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    His sister was also killed:

    Name: EMANUEL, LETITIA LOUISE EMMA
    Initials: L L E
    Nationality: United Kingdom
    Rank: Civilian
    Regiment/Service: Civilian War Dead
    Age: 36
    Date of Death: 20/10/1940
    Additional information: M.A.; Air Raid Warden; of 34 Campden Hill Gardens. Daughter of Rachel Emanuel, of Oxford, and of the late Alfred Lewis Emanuel. Died at 34 Campden Hill Gardens.
    Casualty Type: Civilian War Dead
    Reporting Authority: KENSINGTON, METROPOLITAN BOROUGH

    Died of wounds from an earlier air-raid? The Times states that they both died "from enemy action" though the notices are a few days apart.

    His obit: The Times, Thursday, Oct 31, 1940
    http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn31/amrit68/Emanuel.jpg


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    Emanuel must have been an air raid casualty.
    Is it possible that Wilson (20.12) and Holmes (dow 26.12) were killed on a Beaufighter ?
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    Hi Henk
    It is possible that they were on a Beaufighter. 600 Sqn switched to Beaufighters in Sep '40 and moved to Catterick, Yorkshire, on 12/10/40. Warner identifies the a/c only by it's Sqn Code BQ-W and this could be where the mix-up comes from as even by 20/10/40 the Blenheims should have gone. In Dec '40 they would have been long gone! I don't have the Air Britain L-Serials to look up L1467 but by 20/10/40 it may not have been with 600 Sqn if it is a Blenheim.
    The death of Holmes,26, is registered at Richmond, Yorkshire but I couldn't find Wilson
    Regards
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    Last edited by Dick; 21st April 2008 at 18:51.

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    Both Gentlemen in Blue, and Men of the Battle of Britain, confirm that it was a Blenheim.

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