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    Hello all,
    Would anyone know who perished with F/O Edward A. Patterson on February 28, 1945 at RAF Kidlington?
    Seemingly they crashed into a copse of fur trees on a night navigational flight.
    As always, any information is greatly appreciated.
    Bob

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    Bob, Hi,
    It looks as if yr man was actually Fg Off E A Paterson (note only one 't') Service Number J/42058. Therefore he was RCAF. Therefore all details are likely to be in the Canadian Archives (methods of extraction therefrom are often on the forum!).
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    Hi Peter,
    Yes I know recognize my early morning typo - sorry.
    I guess I know have a more general question: Did RCAF only train RCAF (in Britain)?
    Thanks,
    Bob

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    Bob,
    Don't know - but there are those on the forum who do!
    I would think that the RCAF were mostly(!) trained to "Wings" standard in Canada. Then they might have done the conversion from single to multi-engine in Canada. But (I suspect) on arrival in UK they would have been "checked out" before deciding which aircraft type conversion Unit they were going to. To paraphrase The Good Book -some shall be Fighter Pilots, some shall be Bomber Pilots, and some shall be Truckies!! But, as I say, not my area of expertise!
    Good luck with yr researches!
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    In general, RCAF pilots were trained to SFTS or (later in the war) OTU standards in Canada, and then took further operational training in the UK. An average of about 25% of RCAF pilot graduates went straight to the RAF, where they were assigned whatever job was going. So, an RCAF instructor in the UK in 1945 was just another instructor at the RAF school, who received whatever students were coming down the pipeline that day.

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    Bob,

    A search of the CWGC for British deaths on 28 Feb 1945 suggests Flt Lt John Wyndham Collins (40495) might be your man. The CWGC records him as being a 'Pupil Pilot', aged 30. Buried in Oxford (Botley) Cemetery, he was unmarried (parents lived in Overton, Hampshire). On the downside he seems a bit old relative to Paterson (22).

    Brian

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    This is the Form 1180 Accident Card


    http://www.rafaircraftaccidents.com/MP466.pdf


    Copyright RAF Museum, Hendon


    Scroll down the pdf to see both sides of the card.


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    Copyright Ross McNeill 2015/2018 - All rights reserved.

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    Interesting that the pilot under training has more logged hours than the instructor. Perhaps Collins had a history as a civilian pilot?

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    Thanks to you all.
    I did not know about the rafairaccidents website and should have thought about doing the reverse look-up via the CWGC site.
    Both are great resources.
    Thanks again,
    Bob

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