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    Default Unaccounted airmen - 22-10-1940

    What caused the death of and/or what were the places of death registration for:

    LAC (Pilot u/t) COWARD, Ronald A. - 1283302 - RAF (from Argentina) - killed on active service, and
    F/O (Pilot) FORBES, Alan R. - 72989 - killed on active service.

    Proposed aircraft losses for this day:

    Buffalo I - AS430 - AAEE - involved in a collision 12 miles SW of Salisbury, Wiltshire.
    Tiger Moth II - R4920 - 1 EFTS - dived into ground Brickendon Liberty, Bury, Hertfordshire.

    Regards and thanks for your help.
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    The pilots of the two aircraft in the Buffalo collision were safe:

    DATE: October 22, 1940
    TAKE-OFF POINT: Boscombe Down, Wilts
    CRASH LOCATION: Bower Chalke, Salisbury, Wilts
    AIRCRAFT TYPE & SERIAL: Handley Page Hampden Mk I P4354
    CREW FATALITIES: Mr E.L. Oakley, Photographer; Mr J.W. Parsons, Photographer
    PURPOSE OF TEST FLIGHT: Air-to-air photographic sortie with Brewster Buffalo Mk I AS430
    ACCIDENT DETAIL: Both pilots escaped by parachute after their aircraft collided

    http://www.davidsiddall.com/testflyingmemorial/1940-45.htm

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    Hi Henk
    Coward,24, and Forbes,28, are registered at Hertford which looks like pilot and trainee on the Tiger Moth.
    Regards
    Dick

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    Thanks Amrit. I knew about the Hampden (from Harry Moyle's 'Hampden File'); F/O W.J. CARR and F/Lt S. WROATH baled out to safety. Mr OAKLEY and Mr PARSONS both were killed on the Hampden (without chutes ??? - names not listed CWGC).
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    ................and still looking for the name (and fate) of the Buffalo pilot.

    Henk.

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    Hi Henk
    It depends on what the Hampden File actually says but the a/c was too slim to have 2 pilots so the Buffalo pilot may be one of the 2 names you already have although a Nav could have been on board.
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    Hi Henk

    My records suggest that F/Lt Wroath flew defensive fighter sorties as an RAE pilot during the Battle of Britain, so was probably the pilot of the Buffalo.

    S/Ldr W.J. Carr AFC was killed on 26/8/42 while test flying a Warwick, which makes him more likely to have been flying the Hampden.

    Hope this helps.

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    Henk

    can confirm Wroath as the pilot of the Buffalo, and Carr of the Hampden.

    'UK Flight Testing Accidents 1940-71'

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    Thanks friends for all your help to solve this problem.
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    Hi All
    Following on from the Hampden/Buffalo collision Wroath is mentioned as surviving from the Buffalo and going on to become Gp.Capt and Superintendent of Flying at Boscombe in 1945 having been a Sgt at Martlesham Heath (the predecessor test airfield to Boscombe). The 2 Photographers who died were J W Parsons and F L Oxley. This comes from The Secret Years by Tim Mason detailing Boscombe's wartime test activity. The book records Carr's death in a Warwick and also his parachute escape in Oct 40 but does not mention the a/c
    Regards
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