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    Good morning

    This officer was posted overseas from Australia
    Is it possible to have the name of the ship for the following mouvements

    Embarked Sangate for Canada 17/06/1942, debarkzd East coast of USA I resume SanFrancisco
    arrived Canada ? Taken on strenght 5 M. D. (Military Depot ?) 09/08/1942. During the travel he took the function of reporter for the ship journal, any possibility to find the ship journal ?
    Embarked New York for UK 04/ or 05 /01/1943 , disembarked UK 12/01/1943 where ? taken on strenght 11PDRC 13/01/1943.
    I could not found the paper who said that from Australia the ship stopped in New Zealand and Hawai

    Any info about the ships will be appreciated ?

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    Rene

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    Hi René,

    No. 5 MD is No. 5 Manning Depot, Lachine, Quebec.

    Besides, you may find info at http://www.convoyweb.org.uk/

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    Rene,

    Maybe if you told people you are seeking information on AUS410122 F/O William Noel Thomsett RUSSELL DFC RAAF, you might get somewhere.

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    Hello

    Fox thank you for the info
    Col : I do have almost everything regarding F/O Russell, the request is to try to more complete

    Best regards

    Rene

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    "Embarked Sangate for Canada 17/06/1942, debarkzd East coast of USA I resume SanFrancisco"

    Sangate is possibly Sandgate, 120km NE of Sydney?

    The 'Dominion Monarch' sailed (date unknown) from Sydney and arrived in Auckland with approximately 300 RAAF men on board. At Auckland on 22 Jun 42 about 200 RNZAF men bound for Canada or the UK embarked as well .

    San Francisco is on the West Coast of the USA, not East, but the 'Dominion Monarch' disembarked on North America's East Coast at Halifax, on 15 Jul 42, before continuing on to the UK and disembarking there at Liverpool on 29 Jul 42.

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    "Embarked New York for UK 04/ or 05 /01/1943 , disembarked UK 12/01/1943 where ? taken on strenght 11PDRC 13/01/1943."

    Very likely the 'Queen Elizabeth', on which a number of RNZAF men embarked 5 Jan 43, disembarked Scotland 12 Jan 43.

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    Just to fill in a few gaps, the records I have show that the Dominion Monarch departed Sydney on 9th June 1942, arriving in Auckland on 12th June 1942. Would this tie in with an embarkation from "Sangate" on 17th June 1942?

    As a random late night thought, as Sandgate is closer to Brisbane, could Brisbane have been the port of embarkation? If so, the "Martin Bakke", which left there on 17th June 1942, arriving in Key West (East Coast?) on 1st August may be a possibility. (Movements shown on http://www.warsailors.com/riksarkivet2/martinbakke2.gif)

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    Hello,

    Firstly, let's clear up this SANGATE/SANDGATE business.

    Embarkation Depots.

    Six Embarkation Depots, later known as Personnel Depots, were established by the RAAF during World War II. The principal function of these Depots was to house personnel awaiting embarkation for overseas posts and to ensure that, before departure, they were medically and dentally fit, vaccinated and properly equipped.

    No.3 Embarkation Depot.

    This Depot was formed as part of RAAF Station Sandgate, Brisbane (Queensland), on 16 December, 1940, but was located temporarily at Amberley Air Force Base, moving to Sandgate on 10 April, 1941. Classes in navigation, armament and signalling were conducted, with revision courses in navigation and morse, and lectures in administration, Air Force law and first aid also held.

    In April 1944, the name of the unit changed to No.3 Personnel Depot.

    The career path (from enlistment, to arrival in Canada), of AUS410122 William Noel Thomsett RUSSELL RAAF, was as follows:

    Enlisted:

    1 Reception Centre, Melbourne (Vic) - 8-11-1941
    1 Initial Training School, Somers (Vic) - 8-11-1941
    8 Elementary Flying Training School, Narrandera (NSW) - 2-4-1942
    2 Embarkation Depot, Bradfield Park (NSW) - 28-5-1942
    3 Embarkation Depot, Sandgate (Q'land) - 17-6-1942
    Departed for Overseas service - 23-6-1942 (Attached to RCAF, same date)*
    Disembarked Canada - 9-8-1942
    5 Manning Depot, Lachine - 9-8-1942.

    * The authority quoted for this movement order, is: 3ED 96/42, which can be found in this, as yet, undigitised file, at the NAA:

    http://naa12.naa.gov.au/SearchNRetri...rcode=30677222


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    Thanks for the detail Col.

    Your information suggests that he was at the Embarkation Depot on 17th rather than Embarking for Canada, so perhaps the "Martin Bakke" is incorrect.

    I have had another look at convoyweb (Departures 22nd June [plus / minus 5 days] and there were no departures from Brisbane on 23rd when his records show that he "departed for overseas service".

    The only other possible departure after 17th was on 26th June when the "Day Star" departed Brisbane, arriving in Los Angeles (16th July) and San Francisco (24th July).

    A couple of other thoughts:

    He may have embarked on one of the local convoys (PG2a or 3a) which left Brisbane on 18th and 25th respectively, disembarked at another Australian port before embarking a ship heading for Canada (Possibly leaving Brisbane 18th / Other Port 23rd)

    Alternatively (although I think it unlikely) he travelled overland to another embarkation port from the depot at Sandgate

    Any thoughts?

    Regards

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    - The History of No. 35 Squadron (1916 - 1982) (https://35squadron.wordpress.com/)

    [Always looking for copies of original documents / photographs etc relating to these subjects]

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    Pete,

    You might care to take a look at the A9301 file of another RAAF man that was in the same Draft as Russell: AUS410127 Ernest Allan DUFFY RAAF.

    http://naa12.naa.gov.au/SearchNRetri...arcode=5541229

    See: p.4 of 37.

    They went their separate ways, once hitting Canada.

    Embarkation dates and Departure dates are not one and the same thing. A vessel could be in the roads for quite a while waiting for a convoy to form up.

    Col.
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